COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[purplenose]

Talking sense these 2 fellas either side of old Boris

I am afraid not every one agrees. There was a GP of 35yrs on Granada reports, who said that what they are doing is ridiculous and dangerous. He was at a meeting of GPS yesterday and basically said there was fuck to play. He said basically those guys will not listen to the doctors and pretty much made it clear that Boris and his side kick are full of shit. He was pretty angry about it.

Added to which its seems virtually every other country is horrified by the lack of action in the UK

I make no secret of my feelings toward the Tories and this government but regardless of that, I have to say watching that news conference and hearing what that GP had to say makes me fear the worse. I hope I am wrong but I fear we will fare much worse than most other developed countries and its going to cost a very great many lives. It is insanity.

 

[Blue Maverick]

5 people in oldham confirmed with it.

 

[west didsblue]

The current official figure in the UK of 590 suggests that there’s 1 in 100,000 with it. That’s got to be bollocks. I keep hearing of people I vaguely know with it so I reckon there must be tens of thousands. The good news is that I suspect the death figures are probably reasonably accurate so the death rate is probably well under 1%.

 

[domalino]

I can see there are pros and cons as to how early the schools should close, closing them for long periods of time will cause huge problems for parents and eventually there will be pushback. But there isn’t much that they can do to ignore it.

I don’t see how this timing issue applies at all to preventing large gatherings for the purposes of entertainment. If we’re not allowed to go to sports events until august, that isn’t a restriction we can ignore. We’re stuck with it, like it or not. It doesn’t even count as lockdown.

I can see that at some point they’re going to have to take tough decisions comparable to those implemented in Italy and that they don’t want to do that too soon. But restricting large gatherings now shouldn’t have any impact on their ability to make those decisions when the time is right.

Sid Lowe did a podcast today and they said that after the schools closed all the kids were just in the public parks in Madrid, playing.

That's a textbook example of why they don't close schools until things are so serious that the kids will be made to stay at home.

 

[kaz7]

But people travelling to events is a minuscule proportion of people traveling "packed together inside sealed units" and "crammed on a bus, or tram".

If that's the danger zone, we have to cancel public transport.

The less people doing it the better,there is no down side to cancelling sport

 

[jay_mcfc]

Valencia schools closed indefinitely from Monday.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is exactly what they discussed in the press conference.

Open air sporting events you're not likely to infect many people. Small convention centre, everyone moving around and mingling, shaking hands etc is a disaster.

Open air crowds don’t magically appear at the event though. They will have arrived in small containers sharing space with many others via road, rail, air, coach also mingling in pubs, hotels, hospitality areas etc.

 

[marco]

were all looking and searching for ideas,some make sense others dont,the elderly are the problem here with the demand on the NHS so why dont they lock down care homes, every single care,retirement home 'obiously in a nice way' make sure they dont get it and it frees up the NHS

 

[blueparrot]

But people travelling to events is a minuscule proportion of people traveling "packed together inside sealed units" and "crammed on a bus, or tram".

If that's the danger zone, we have to cancel public transport.

It obviously is a danger zone and reducing the risk is better than doing nothing. Part of reducing the risk is stopping events, I f you want to take it further and stop people travelling to work thats a different argument , but some of those workers are essential, going to a concert or football isn’t.

 

[Nails]

The less people doing it the better,there is no down side to cancelling sport

Apart from if you're a Red Scouse.

 

[cibaman]

The current official figure in the UK of 590 suggests that there’s 1 in 100,000 with it. That’s got to be bollocks. I keep hearing of people I vaguely know with it so I reckon there must be tens of thousands. The good news is that I suspect the death figures are probably reasonably accurate so the death rate is probably well under 1%.

The government have admitted to 5-10,000. Probably not that many more or there would be more deaths

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The places in northern Italy that were locked down 2 weeks ago are not showing new cases. Further south cases are growing.

Seems to me that staying at home, whether ill or not is the answer. If you are infected hopefully after 2 weeks you recover and are not infectious, if you weren't infected at least you've not come into contact with anyone who is.

If the north of Italy has no new cases brilliant. Just as long as no one from the North of Italy goes to the south or any country with any cases, or any tourists from any country with cases goes in, they’ll be fine. Until December, when it’ll likely be back.

 

[domalino]

The less people doing it the better,there is no down side to cancelling sport

There is a downside to every single restriction and cancellation. That's why we're not all under curfew and locked in our houses.

You do what makes an effective reduction in risk vs the disruption, and after studying it decided that sporting events aren't a big danger.

You can either agree with medical professionals with nothing to gain either way but have spent their entire careers studying and preparing for this, or you can disagree because you think you know better.

 

[BobKowalski]

But people travelling to events is a minuscule proportion of people traveling "packed together inside sealed units" and "crammed on a bus, or tram".

If that's the danger zone, we have to cancel public transport.

It is about minimising risk, and unnecessary risk at that, not eliminating risk entirely. Washing your hands more thoroughly doesn’t eliminate risk but it does reduce risk.

 

[Blue Hefner]

What does he mean?

 

[kaz7]

The current official figure in the UK of 590 suggests that there’s 1 in 100,000 with it. That’s got to be bollocks. I keep hearing of people I vaguely know with it so I reckon there must be tens of thousands. The good news is that I suspect the death figures are probably reasonably accurate so the death rate is probably well under 1%.

Depends what is on dealth certicates,say 1 million old people who often get chest infections and pneumonia and are on tablets and inhalers die at home or in a nursing home,chances are it will be put down as pneumonia or COPD,they won't have been tested or have a post mortem,i think the official figures are WAY under the true figures

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That’s a huge cop-out from them though. What they have basically announced to the public is that they don’t trust us to follow instructions. They have revealed that they don’t feel they are capable of mobilising us, of inspiring us to work together, of convincing us of the need to cooperate. They are saying that they are not good enough to do that. That is not the action of a strong leadership team. How can they expect people to follow them when they say such a thing? We’ll get bored? It’s an awful thing to use as your sole reason for doing next to nothing. It’s waving a white flag. They say we’re a country that’s faced bigger challenges before and come through it, then in the same breath don’t trust us to come through it in the most optimal way.

I was in an nhs building today. Bloke comes in the bog, has a slash and walks out. Didn’t look at the sink, let alone use it. The reason they don’t trust people is because there’s a lot of dickheads out there. Not only that, we’ve all been continually told that ‘experts’ don’t know anything and should mainly be ignored.

 

[Uffa]

If the north of Italy has no new cases brilliant.

The North of Italy has plenty of new cases. He was talking about the small town that had the virus first and was put under quarantine very early on.

 

[andyhinch]

There is a downside to every single restriction and cancellation. That's why we're not all under curfew and locked in our houses.

You do what makes an effective reduction in risk vs the disruption, and after studying it decided that sporting events aren't a big danger.

You can either agree with medical professionals with nothing to gain either way but have spent their entire careers studying and preparing for this, or you can disagree because you think you know better.

You don’t think they’re playing down the contamination angle ?

 

[Uffa]

What does he mean?

They're helping?