COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[dave_blue12]

I would urge everyone to read this long detailed analysis.

 

[mexico1970]

That's not good.

I suspect that her husband who is a Tory MP could have dealt with this off twitter, this post is a dreadful example of the whataboutmeism infecting the country.

 

[joe123]

at least the Daily Mail has our best interests at heart...

 

[Mike N]

I suspect that her husband who is a Tory MP could have dealt with this off twitter, this post is a dreadful example of the whataboutmeism infecting the country.

I saw it more through the eyes of the person who is now extremely worried. Not sure we can comment and how they 'should' have dealt with it.

 

[SWP's back]

Fuck off giving it the little Englander shite.

It’s got fuck all to do with it and that’s twice now you’ve added immaturity to the discussion, if you’re not old enough to have a mature debate and instead want to act like a playground bully, I’ll just fuck you off on ignore.

I’m well aware of the other countries’ experts guiding their governments but their health services are different, they have different peaks of when their system is under stress, they have different social policies generally and it is possible they will revisiting this scenario again once their lockdown is over.

What is the point in having our government and these scientists guiding them if we’re just to ignore it and say they’re wrong, based on other nations that have a different system to us?

Stop pretending as if everything you’re being told in the UK is the best way to do things just because it happens to be “British Experts” as if the U.K. is some special case. If you’re that idiotic that you believe we know better than the rest of the world then have at it. I hope no one in your family is one of the sacrificial lambs so the rest can gain this herd immunity.

Having lost one parent already this year and with the other being 65 at very much in the at risk group, I think the UK’s stance, standing in stark contrast to other nations of similar economic grouping and lifestyle, stinks.

But fuck me off on ignore all you like. I really wouldn’t give a fuck, and if you’re feeling bullied on a forum then do yourself a favour and log off from the internet as it’s obviously too scary a place.

 

[Marvin]

We clearly aren't and the lack of action from the Government looks criminal.

They do what they are advised to do. This is science-led. The question is is it good science or bad science. With every day that passes and more people die in Western countries, and China sits virus-free, it looks like bad science.

 

[SWP's back]

I would think the advice we are getting from the science is somewhat led/adjusted by our government.

It’s beyond odd when pretty much every other nation is reacting in the way they are.

Forgive me, but I’m of the thought that there is something we are not being told.

Not if your ban happy clapper jani it isn’t.

 

[mexico1970]

I saw it more through the eyes of the person who is now extremely worried. Not sure we can comment and how they 'should' have dealt with it.

Of course we can comment, she's in a privileged position and her husband knows he was sat next to someone who has now been diagnosed. There are thousands upon thousands of people who haven't been given the test, she's no different to the rest of us.

 

[inbetween]

So it,seems smaller countries..Italy & us not sure what SK pop is, by % wise going by them %uk,s pop say 60 -70mill,that's 600,000 at the lowest
USA say 260mill pop..2.6mill,if I've got it right % wise us& usa there's not much going by population but it's a hell of a lot of folk who could/get it.
Plus I presume when youngsters get it you mean teens and above.not babies upwards to pre-teens

Kids getting the virus in some form is quite important and it is how vaccinations generally work. Vaccinations are given to kids so that they are immune for life and won't become ill in the future when they might be more vulnerable.

There are the old stories of chicken pox parties where if one kid got it you would take your kids round to get them exposed and take the mild hit so they are immune for life.

I know this isn't quite the same but that is basically how you protect people in the long term. Otherwise, it's just a waiting game and just a matter of time because the virus is too infectious, too spread and also too global to be stopped.

China have stopped it but that is because everyone is locked in their houses. When that lockdown is lifted what is to stop it from just starting again? All they have done is delayed the spread so that healthcare organisations can gear up for round 2.

The delay phase here is to slowly build that immunity and to implement measures to stop the 'wrong' people getting it. That means you don't avoid exposure but you take measures to stop yourself from spreading it to people who are at the most risk.

 

[Ban-jani]

Stop pretending as if everything you’re being told in the UK is the best way to do things just because it happens to be “British Experts” as if the U.K. is some special case. If you’re that idiotic that you believe we know better than the rest of the world then have at it. I hope no one in your family is one of the sacrificial lambs so the rest can gain this herd immunity.

Having lost one parent already this year and with the other being 65 at very much in the at risk group, I think the UK’s stance, standing in stark contrast to other nations of similar economic grouping and lifestyle, stinks.

But fuck me off on ignore all you like. I really wouldn’t give a fuck, and if you’re feeling bullied on a forum then do yourself a favour and log off from the internet as it’s obviously too scary a place.

Don’t start bringing your family into the debate mate, I said I was sorry to hear about you losing your dad.

I have several family members at high risk here also, as everyone on this board will do. This thing isn’t personal to anyone and will effect the whole population.

What you don’t get is that I’m not dismissing other nations and their experts, nor am I even claiming ours are better in anyway. What I’m saying is they are giving advice specific to our population and our infrastructure.

I’m not even arguing they’re going to be proven right but we have these people in these positions to make these decisions based on our specific situation in the UK. What may work in China might not here.

What is the point in the government employing these people if we’re going to ignore it?

 

[Ban-jani]

In fairness mate you are only believing one small set of experts not the majority

On the contrary I’m not at all. I’m just following the advice and believing these people who are hired to do this know what they’re talking about and my entire point is their decision is based on our specific situation in this country.

Im not even saying they’re correct, I’m saying it made sense to me and what’s the point in ignoring the very people hired to make these decisions, over one bloke in the Guardian?

 

[MCFC1993]

Spain is obviously really struggling, Madrid being one of the areas to avoid, not like we've had any Madrid locals travel to this area of the country...

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

They do what they are advised to do. This is science-led. The question is is it good science or bad science. With every day that passes and more people die in Western countries, and China sits virus-free, it looks like bad science.

None of us will know who got it right for a few months. But we are being asked to believe that all the leading scientists in Italy, Germany, China, and Spain have got it wrong and we have got it right. My gut feeling is that the decision to allow events like the Cheltenham Racing Festival to go ahead this week will be seen in the future as a totally disastrous blunder. I suspect it will be seen as a symbol of a political decision-making system that has completely failed the people it is supposed to protect. I hope I am wrong but what Prof John Ashton is saying, someone I have personal experience of, rings true.

 

[Shaelumstash]

A woman from WHO just yesterday morning said they believe the mortality rate to be anywhere between 1% and 2%. About 5 hours later our CMO said 1% or less. Is there any reason to believe the UK figure over their figure?

The WHO clearly has more data to go off, but the problem is, they know the amount of deaths, but they are completely plucking figures out of the sky on the level of infected.

We have 600 confirmed cases. 20 of them are managers or players in the PL. Four of them are MPs.

The genuine figure of those infected is clearly in the tens of thousands, so it’s impossible to say what the accurate mortality rate is.

 

[Marvin]

I saw it more through the eyes of the person who is now extremely worried. Not sure we can comment and how they 'should' have dealt with it.

This not really a question of party politics, it's about a scientific hypothesis that once a pathogenic virus enters the human population it's like a genie that can't be put back in its bottle, and that the only way the herd survives is when 70% of its remaining members get immunity but then I look at China and they have put the genie back in its bottle for the moment anyway. We'll be in lockdown soon enough so it's just academic.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Spain is obviously really struggling, Madrid being one of the areas to avoid, not like we've had any Madrid locals travel to this area of the country...

hardly surprising - why would you go anyway ? it's all shut down

 

[liamctid]

I would do everything but the concert.

Thanks

 

[robbieh]

Spain is obviously really struggling, Madrid being one of the areas to avoid, not like we've had any Madrid locals travel to this area of the country...

It is but at least action is being taken. The UK will be where Spain is in less than 2 weeks.

Bearing in mind Boris wants people to become infected why the flight ban.

 

[kippax4ever]

Kids getting the virus in some form is quite important and it is how vaccinations generally work. Vaccinations are given to kids so that they are immune for life and won't become ill in the future when they might be more vulnerable.

There are the old stories of chicken pox parties where if one kid got it you would take your kids round to get them exposed and take the mild hit so they are immune for life.

I know this isn't quite the same but that is basically how you protect people in the long term. Otherwise, it's just a waiting game and just a matter of time because the virus is too infectious, too spread and also too global to be stopped.

China have stopped it but that is because everyone is locked in their houses. When that lockdown is lifted what is to stop it from just starting again? All they have done is delayed the spread so that healthcare organisations can gear up for round 2.

The delay phase here is to slowly build that immunity and to implement measures to stop the 'wrong' people getting it. That means you don't avoid exposure but you take measures to stop yourself from spreading it to people who are at the most risk.

Excellent post mate..

Knew guys who worked on thrash recycling plants,who got a nick on their hands/arms,a couple off days latter a kind off fungus/mushroom started growing out off the wound,
Then after 2/3 days knock out off their feet,in bed between 3-5 days,
Then fresh as a daisy,Never been sick ever since,their immune system gone through the roof..

 

[west didsblue]

Nobody is going to go the China route in Europe though. People will not just accept being welded into their homes. It will start again in China as soon as people deem it safe to visit again.

Not when front doors are made of wood or plastic.