COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Honestly I had no idea. Too much time spent on here and trying to do some work at the same time.

I know mate. It’s all a bit mental everywhere at the minute. NHS especially so.....

 

[Ban-jani]

This Government seems to have surrounded itself with crackpots. Their approach is ideological.

You have absolutely no evidence of that in terms of the scientists leading this decision.

This just proves YOU are being ideological in looking at the government’s decision.

 

[andyhinch]

Don’t start bringing your family into the debate mate, I said I was sorry to hear about you losing your dad.

I have several family members at high risk here also, as everyone on this board will do. This thing isn’t personal to anyone and will effect the whole population.

What you don’t get is that I’m not dismissing other nations and their experts, nor am I even claiming ours are better in anyway. What I’m saying is they are giving advice specific to our population and our infrastructure.

I’m not even arguing they’re going to be proven right but we have these people in these positions to make these decisions based on our specific situation in the UK. What may work in China might not here.

What is the point in the government employing these people if we’re going to ignore it?

What you have to ask yourself is why are the experts being disingenuous, I have to assume it’s government lead, possibly for good reason, however it comes to something when the sports governing bodies have to cancel their own competitions and not from guidance from government.

 

[Shaelumstash]

That isn't what he said.
What he said was that there is no clear death rate figure and he wasn't going to make one up but when it becomes more certain then the maths is simple.

It is what he said.

The journalist said Angela Merkel said worst case scenario 70% of Germany’s population could get it.

He said their worst-case model was actually higher, at 80%.

When pressed on the mortality rate he said it was roughly just under 1% but impossible to say accurately.

As other posters have said, the WHO estimate it’s higher than 1%.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Spain is obviously really struggling, Madrid being one of the areas to avoid, not like we've had any Madrid locals travel to this area of the country...

You could not make it up.

 

[Gaz in Zurich]

The WHO clearly has more data to go off, but the problem is, they know the amount of deaths, but they are completely plucking figures out of the sky on the level of infected.

We have 600 confirmed cases. 20 of them are managers or players in the PL. Four of them are MPs.

The genuine figure of those infected is clearly in the tens of thousands, so it’s impossible to say what the accurate mortality rate is.

In Italy the percentage dying is near 7%. It's higher than China, because they couldn't create the makeshift hospitals like China did, so their hospital system became overloaded.
The NHS is already overloaded, so I would guess the fatality rate would be nearer the Italian figure. So Boris in his wisdom is willing to sacrifice 4.2 mil elderly people.

 

[Ban-jani]

What you have to ask yourself is why are the experts being disingenuous, I have to assume it’s government lead, possibly for good reason, however it comes to something when the sports governing bodies have to cancel their own competitions and not from guidance from government.

I don’t think they are.

They explained the plan, they said why and they admitted many people will die.

The PL has because players and managers have it.

 

[inbetween]

Excellent post mate..

Knew guys who worked on thrash recycling plants,who got a nick on their hands/arms,a couple off days latter a kind off fungus/mushroom started growing out off the wound,
Then after 2/3 days knock out off their feet,in bed between 3-5 days,
Then fresh as a daisy,Never been sick ever since,their immune system gone through the roof..

Yeah the immune system is an amazing thing, anyone under 60 without health conditions should not be worried in the slightest because whilst it might not be nice, they'll survive.

Chances are the vaccine when developed will contain a similar but weakened modified strain of the virus... That's how they stopped Ebola.

Obviously the major worry is for the people who aren't healthy or are above 60. That is why no-one should fear the virus but should do everything to stop themselves from spreading it.

I heard on the radio a scientist explain it as this, for most major viruses and conditions we develop an immunity.

For this one though no-one is immune and it's like starting afresh. When people become immune they aren't as infectious and that reduces the spread resulting in something like flu which can be dangerous doesn't affect that many people due to decreased infectivity.

 

[SWP's back]

Grow up.

You know no more than anyone on this board.

That’s a complete lie and you don’t believe it for a second.

I’m reading what experts around the world are saying and have been from the start when half of the idiots were posting that it’s no worse than flu.

You however, know what the CMO is saying, ignoring that it’s in contrast to the rest of the world and saying “well he’s an expert so it must be right”.

 

[DTKOAG]

Another good reason why we live on a Island

 

[dave_blue12]

I wonder how the 5 million asthmatics in this country will get on ?

 

[Ban-jani]

No.

That would be me.

Fair

 

[andyhinch]

I don’t think they are.

They explained the plan, they said why and they admitted many people will die.

The PL has because players and managers have it.

They are being disingenuous about contamination mate,it’s something I know rather a lot about as I’m sure they do.

 

[mexico1970]

4 cases of Coronavirus in Derbyshire with a population of 740,000 and 111 doctors surgeries are at a standstill with people worried if they have the virus. I suspect the 4 known cases are nowhere near the real figure at all.

 

[SWP's back]

great post and more should actually read it.

What you don’t get is that I’m not dismissing other nations and their experts, nor am I even claiming ours are better in anyway.

you are. When other posters keep bringing up there are more than just our experts, you and a few others keep suggesting they think they know more than the experts. That’s not what is happening at all. They’re rightly making the point that they don’t trust what they’re being told by Boris.

What may work in China might not here.

No one is suggesting doing what China did. South Korea on the other hand...

What is the point in the government employing these people if we’re going to ignore it?

What’s the point in employing a manager when half of them will choose the wrong tactics for any given match, any given weekend.

Experts can get things wrong. When ours are very much the outlier in world precautions, does that not make you stop and think “hmmm, are we going the right way on this?”

 

[Ban-jani]

That’s a complete lie and you don’t believe it for a second.

I’m reading what experts around the world are saying and have been from the start when half of the idiots were posting that it’s no worse than flu.

You however, know what the CMO is saying, ignoring that it’s in contrast to the rest of the world and saying “well he’s an expert so it must be right”.

Granted you took more interest when this was at the back of people’s minds but that doesn’t necessarily mean you know more now.

Nobody in the world knows what the next 6 months in China will look like nor the UK.

 

[lancs blue]

They do what they are advised to do. This is science-led. The question is is it good science or bad science. With every day that passes and more people die in Western countries, and China sits virus-free, it looks like bad science.

Marvin, I wish you would stop bigging up China, aside from N.Korea it's probably the most tightly controlled society on the planet. Only the Chinese leaders know how the actions against the virus are progressing and they'll tell the rest of the world what suits them and no more.

 

[kippax4ever]

Yeah the immune system is an amazing thing, anyone under 60 without health conditions should not be worried in the slightest because whilst it might not be nice, they'll survive.

Chances are the vaccine when developed will contain a similar but weakened modified strain of the virus... That's how they stopped Ebola.

Obviously the major worry is for the people who aren't healthy or are above 60. That is why no-one should fear the virus but should do everything to stop themselves from spreading it.

I heard on the radio a scientist explain it as this, for most major viruses and conditions we develop an immunity.

For this one though no-one is immune and it's like starting afresh. When people become immune they aren't as infectious and that reduces the spread resulting in something like flu which can be dangerous doesn't affect that many people due to decreased infectivity.

Was chatting about the bug everyone seemed to have before Xmas,the coughing one,i must off had it for 2mths plus were others say the same or a little bit less or slightly longer.
was wondering if that was the first stages off this one now,or some think completely different.
Because everyone seemed to have that one...

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Once we are totally fucked and our inactivity and lack of an aggressive approach fails to flatten the curve enough for the NHS to have even a fighting chance, who makes the decision on who lives and who dies? When you have one ICU respirator per 2,3 maybe 4 or even more patients in need of one, how are they going to choose which person to try to save and which people to let die? How? We are either a genius nation that is going down a different route because we know something nobody else does, or we are sleepwalking into a disaster. The latter seems more likely. When your grandparent(s) are gasping for every breath and they have to choose whether your family member gets the help or someone else’s does, how is that going to be handled? This is the stark reality we are heading towards. In just 3 or 4 weeks.

 

[abu13]

Jump forward 7 or 8 weeks and people will look back and realise how naive they are right now, this is going to be shocking.

You don't get a Prime Minister come on the TV saying we need to prepare to lose loved ones if it is being blown out of proportion.