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In Crumpsall A and E non Corrolla related waiting for the daughter to be admitted. A few cases just arrived like death warmed up and we are all playing musical chairs to keep safe distance. Ambulance crew just handed out us some face masks whilst we wait. Quite an eerie atmos and bringing home the seriousness of the situation.
 
Uffa said:
I've had my spirits lifted this morning by videos of Italians singing and playing music from balconies. Some are even technically good.
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Spoke to people from Hubei recently who reported that people in apartment blocks have really looked after each other. There is more natural good in people, yet we too often prefer to focus on the selfish rather than the selfless.
 
Mikeegrini said:
I watched an interview on the BBC with the head of the anaesthetists professional body on Germany he said, we have part assembled ICU units and ventilators but can't get the parts to finish them because....they are made in China!
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Another thing that will change initiated by corona,
German pharma industry and gov will discuss how to get back essential medical production to Germany
in order to be less dependent.

It goes for many economical sectors and many other countries will have similar thoughts right now.
 
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The most chilling thing from that is us having 4000 ICU beds in the country, 3200 of which are already occupied even before the virus hits big time. Next week only 600 will be free and the week after we’ll be short by 200. The week after that we’ll be short by 4200, more than our actual number of beds in total. Even a doubling of our capacity only gives us an extra 5 or 6 days of being able to care for the dying.

So in just 2 weeks we have to decide whose grandparent to leave for dead and whose to try to save. 2 weeks.

And one of my nans still wants to go out shopping. I’ll chain her to the table if I have to! So stubborn. If you need some bread and milk, let me get it ffs!
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Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Absolutely agreed. Look at the rest of China (outside Hubei). They have completely eradicated it. The only new cases are coming from visitors, e.g. from the UK. But they get tested and isolated.

Were this a 20 year strategy, it would be unsustainable, but it is not. We just need to keep it under control until next year and then vaccinate.
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Sorry to pick you up again but yes they have it under control currently because no one is allowed to go out of their house. We need to wait until their lockdown is over to see if it’s been a success.

It starts again then what, another lockdown for them? Repeat until a vaccine is available? Maybe another 12 months?

Ok that may be sustainable over there, still doubtful but no chance of any European countries being able to follow that.

At this stage there is no right or wrong way of doing it, unfortunately.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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Hope it works out.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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Jeez, I’m so sorry to hear that mate. You are doing everything within your power, just keep making those sensible, rational decisions. Best of luck to you all, stay safe and healthy.
 
Chippy_boy said:
China had their clamp down at the end of Jan and here we are 6 weeks later and they have it completely under control.

(Very worryingly, they had less cases than we do now, when they saw the train coming and went full on clamp down.)
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I understand that there are arguments for and against 'lock-down'

Only time will tell which approach is/was actually correct in the long-term

Once China comes out of isolation will that not mean that there will be many millions of people having no immunity to the virus and then it will just surge again?

If that is not a risk then the lock-down strategy seems the correct one - if it is a risk then it isn't

Only time will tell I guess - I hope that our medical and scientific experts are getting this right - surely it is them rather than politicians making the big decisions.

My own strategy had been to take the family to Cyprus next week for a month of isolation - they close their borders to non-Cypriots tonight so that is buggered
 
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Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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My good wishes go to you and everybody else who may be affected. It is worrying not having your wellbeing in your own hands. I am in similar circumstances with my wife as I have posted before so fingers crossed to you and your family
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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So sorry to hear all this mate. I wish you and your family the best through these incredibly difficult times. Like you I am fortunate to have enough money set aside that we can weather this storm and my wife and I have decided we are essentially staying indoors for the next 6 months at least, barring essential trips to the supermarket occassionally if we must, as say 2:00 am. Other than that, we're locking ourselves in. My wife has a really weak chest and has had pneumonia twice. If there's ever a chest bug going, she gets it and badly. I am not taking any chances that she may need intensive care and not be able to get it.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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well done for acting decisively mate. I really hope you keep your son safe.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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Thank you for sharing your impressive story, mate. Fingers crossed all goes well.

Like many others already on here it shows our underlying individual motivation to look on this pandemic.
We are discussing many scientific and funfamental details, and every now and then someone adds some personal colour to the story
and immediately his or her persperctive is much more understandable.

I for my part care for my own, parents up in haeven already.
I think I'm fit enough to not fear an infection,
so I will concentrate by my behaviour on NOT transmissing the virus I might have (had) without any symtoms. I still have none.
 
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Lancet Fluke said:
Yep. Within 2 or 3 weeks anyone very old or with underlying issues will be left to die and someone who has a better chance of surviving will get the bed. An understandable if somewhat depressing policy. My son has a very serious congenital heart problem. We started isolating at the beginning of the week and will do so for as long as necessary to give him the best chance of survival at the point he does get it. We are in a fairly unique position to be able to do this. His mum and me both work from home 100% of the time anyway, we live rurally, we were in a financial position to start building up supplies when we saw this coming a couple of months ago and his mum is an ex teacher so can do some home educating. I didn't think it would move this quickly or that we would be isolating so early but we felt it was odds on that it was coming sooner or later. When we made the decision on Monday, I was massively doubting myself and felt like I was being an idiot and overreacting. Within about 24 hours, I was only worried that we might have been too late and we could already have it as a few cases were confirmed in the local community. It's moved scarily fast, it makes rational decision making tough. I do need to add. Obviously if we didn't have a son with those underlying issues then we wouldn't have taken such drastic measures although we would have taken some sensible/reasonable measures I'm sure. On a related note. My son is on a drug called Lisinopril which is an ACE inhibitor. There are now some compelling theories that ACE inhibitors might make a person more vulnerable to catching the virus in the first place and make the effects of the virus more acute. Genuinely frightening.
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Very reasonable decisions, hope you have a nice time all together.
 
Stay away from MRI. Staff who were in direct contact being sent home then back in the next day. Staff at the top ignoring the official advice.

The official figures are a load of bollocks too.
 
If there is a God, they don't like being worshipped.

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