COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[George Hannah]

I hope to see you back on here in four weeks spouting this crap

Let's hope you are the one we won't see

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Thanks for that information :)

I’m not sure that many 65 year old people with no underlying health issues have died so far so that figure seems like a load of hysterical bollocks tbh.

Thet sort of percentage is even a bit on the high side for people with Asthma or COPD etc. The Medical Director of the Mayo health organisation in the states was quoting around a 6 per cent mortality rate for people with an underlying condition on the radio the other night. That said, the figures can probably vary a bit between location.

 

[chesterbells]

That lady isn’t one of the ten people who have died in the UK in the last 24 hours.

As stated in my post, the youngest was late 70s and the oldest in the 90s.

I’m 66 in a few months so I’m not saying this from a least risk position.

53 year old had diabetes and a lung disease already so I read.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

your age group has an 8% death rate so far.

8% is 70-79.

60-69 is 3.6% so far.

 

[George Hannah]

8% is 70-79.

60-69 is 3.6% so far.

What is the mortality rate of the new coronavirus?

It is probably about or a bit less than 1%. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

Deaths are highest in the elderly, with very low rates among younger people, although medical staff who treat patients and get exposed to a lot of virus are thought to be more at risk. But even among the over-80s, 90% will recover.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

53 year old had diabetes and a lung disease already so I read.

It’s very sad but anyone with serious health issues already is going to be very vulnerable to this virus.

 

[domalino]

That is still the case. 0.2% of under 40s die so there are still exceptions, this has always been made clear in the statistics. I'm sorry but these sort of posts are just creating more worry and are pointless.

What's to say the person didn't have a health condition that they just weren't aware of yet?

It would also be great if people posting stuff would provide sources. I notice no one's managed to provide a source for the comment that 50% of France's intensive care patients are under 60.

If you're not going to post a source why bother bringing it to the discussion? No one cares about the rumour your mate heard or what some crackpot conspiracy twitter account with 17 followers is churning out. Post stuff with a source.

 

[west didsblue]

Christ, the poor bloody Italians are getting smashed by this virus. The following video shows the difference in deaths in the lombardy region Feb 9th then today, 3 pages to 10 in one month!

The people who are writing off many of the deaths as old people who were ready to die anyway should look at that tweet and maybe they’ll stop spouting crap.

 

[squirtyflower]

8% is 70-79.

60-69 is 3.6% so far.

That’s what I’d read too

 

[TCIB]

I can't confirm yet (i will have a google around though) that Swedens response is the same as ours and is not a temp solution but seemingly policy. Nordic countries tend to follow each other so Norway is scalling back testing to. I got this info from some lads i have known online for many many years (1999 i have known them since) via irc chat and phone texts etc.

@SebastianBlue I will try to confirm this but i will stick my neck out and say that is the scenario as it stands for these countries at least as these are older fellas who don't have reason to lie to me. I know you were interested to their official? response so thought best to update you. @blueish swede could you possibly confirm or give more info on your governments response? Another Swedish chap i know said this regarding the uk response vs the Swedish response...

"sweden is taking the exact same approach they just don't have the balls to say it out loud. instead we have baghdad bob the chief epidemiologist saying every other country is over reacting and there is no need to panic"

I also found this...

"This week, the strategy has changed slightly, with a greater focus on limiting and delaying the spread of the virus in society and preparing the healthcare system to care for the most seriously ill patients."

https://www.thelocal.se/20200127/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-coronavirus-in-sweden

 

[cleavers]

Ours have a morning walk-in mon, weds, Friday but if you want to see anyone you have to queue up before opening at about 7:30am. Any later and you’re sat there till 12 or are told it’s full

Sadly not many want to be GP's these days, and I can see why, its ridiculous pressure, on long hours for fairly little gain, after a lot of training, but half the issue is those on reception who won't listen to people.

 

[kaz7]

What is the mortality rate of the new coronavirus?

It is probably about or a bit less than 1%. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.

Deaths are highest in the elderly, with very low rates among younger people, although medical staff who treat patients and get exposed to a lot of virus are thought to be more at risk. But even among the over-80s, 90% will recover.

I would believe the WHO ahead of anyone

 

[SebastianBlue]

As yet our local hospital has had many suspected but simply no positive cases. Like the rest of Spain we are in lockdown from monday onwards. Usual panic buying since last thursday but come monday we can only drive for fuel, cash, food or medical reasons. Police have extra powers to enforce this.
Yes the old are vulnerable as are the already ill but my experience of Spain is that they medically treat irrespective of age. As an older person I have experienced this last year resulting in successful cancer treatment so I trust Spain to protect the old as well as other age groups.

I absolutely trust them, too, I have never really had an issue there. This is more daily care that my family needs to see to, and some of the younger members are proving to be less than reliable, unfortunately.

And I am very glad to hear you have beaten the cancer, by the way!

How is Almería in general, apart from impacts of the impending restrictions? Are you seeing any general changes is behaviour?

My cousin (who I am working with to manage care of few elders in Barcelona) says they are finally starting to see lower traffic near their home in Sants, which is usually quite busy. Zaragoza seemed to have started to see a slow down last week (though it’s obviously not nearly as busy as Barcelona).

 

[chesterbells]

It’s very sad but anyone with serious health issues already is going to be very vulnerable to this virus.

I’m an asthmatic myself, but even if I wasn’t, my response to you would be that I agree completely pal.
It’s all about calibrating the balance between taking it seriously, which will help, and panic/fear (or dwelling on it too much), which won’t.
I’ve decided I’m going to ration my social media from tomorrow, because the amount I’ve been on today hasn’t been a good idea if I’m honest.

 

[George Hannah]

I would believe the WHO ahead of anyone

and I believe our CMO when he says their figures are highly unreliable, British scientists lead the world in epidemiology - unless you also believe Donald Trump.

 

[domalino]

‘Underlying conditions‘ is such a nebulous term. It could mean he simply had high blood pressure.

The problem is that most people in their 70's and 80's have multiple serious conditions. They usually have not just one underlying condition, but several.

So it's impossible to attribute accurately which underlying condition are the most problematic, other than the common sense approach that a lot of these deaths are from pneumonia so pulmonary and CV issues are the biggest danger as well as anyone whose immune system is compromised.

 

[Indaparkside]

I would believe the WHO ahead of anyone

Why what’s Pete Townshend been saying now

 

[hilts]

Have you ever been hit by 10 trains is the question

I think we may have heard if she had

 

[domalino]

I would believe the WHO ahead of anyone

and I believe our CMO when he says their figures are highly unreliable, British scientists lead the world in epidemiology - unless you also believe Donald Trump.

It's not really a question of believing or not. If that 3.8% figure from WHO is what it's described as in the post (deaths/confirmed cases) then we already know for a fact that it's a massive overestimate because there are many people getting it, only having mild symptoms and recovering.

And given the incredible qualifications of the person who said it, it's inconceivable that he was claiming that deaths/confirmed cases is the true death toll.

 

[hilts]

If you live in a 30-room mansion self-isolation is probably easy.

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