COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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cleavers said:
Sadly not many want to be GP's these days, and I can see why, its ridiculous pressure, on long hours for fairly little gain, after a lot of training, but half the issue is those on reception who won't listen to people.
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Local surgery is now run by GTD, it has it's fair share of locums, the one who I visited recently was only young and said on senior colleague's recommendation she worked two month on and had a minimum of two weeks off.
 
SebastianBlue said:
@St.Pauli support could you quickly confirm to save all of us the trouble of searching the internet? ;-)
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Well, I can't contribute much, it's not very transparent.

Maybe some of you also have missed Germany in covid test number lists,
although we were said our diagnostics where so early and well prepared. No single number available, accordingly we only can speculate about the true case number, like elsewhere.

I can not confirm if untested deaths with underlying conditions are excluded from corona statistics, nothing to find here.

An explanation for at this stage relatively low death numbers might be
- early cases mostly of younger age (sport tourists, Carnival goers)
- early testing and identifying of cases and contact group
- quite loose family structure in Germany compared to Italy, very unregular contact to old family members
- as already said hospitals still able to cope with a relatively low number of severe and critical cases.

We are aware that will change, drastically.
As virologists have little knowledge about Covid even them have to change their view within short time frame
which makes it so difficult to prepare in the best way.

We have closed schools, Kindergartens, Universities and more, and that certainly will go on.
We need a summer dip for Covid, to reopen all those places and give the whole nation and esp. the medical system a rest.
If not, schools would stay closed for months - and nobody has any idea how to cope.

We are in a national stress test, unseen.
 
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domalino said:
It's not really a question of believing or not. If that 3.8% figure from WHO is what it's described as in the post (deaths/confirmed cases) then we already know for a fact that it's a massive overestimate because there are many people getting it, only having mild symptoms and recovering.

And given the incredible qualifications of the person who said it, it's inconceivable that he was claiming that deaths/confirmed cases is the true death toll.
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I agree, having good reasons to believe something is true is what is important.
 
TCIB said:
I can't confirm yet (i will have a google around though) that Swedens response is the same as ours and is not a temp solution but seemingly policy. Nordic countries tend to follow each other so Norway is scalling back testing to. I got this info from some lads i have known online for many many years (1999 i have known them since) via irc chat and phone texts etc.

@SebastianBlue I will try to confirm this but i will stick my neck out and say that is the scenario as it stands for these countries at least as these are older fellas who don't have reason to lie to me. I know you were interested to their official? response so thought best to update you. @blueish swede could you possibly confirm or give more info on your governments response? Another Swedish chap i know said this regarding the uk response vs the Swedish response...

"sweden is taking the exact same approach they just don't have the balls to say it out loud. instead we have baghdad bob the chief epidemiologist saying every other country is over reacting and there is no need to panic"

I also found this...

"This week, the strategy has changed slightly, with a greater focus on limiting and delaying the spread of the virus in society and preparing the healthcare system to care for the most seriously ill patients."

https://www.thelocal.se/20200127/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-coronavirus-in-sweden
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Cheers — look forward to @blueish swede sharing his understanding, as well.

Will be very interesting to see if the ‘Nordic block’ do formally adopt our strategy and, if so, how it plays out there in comparison.
 
karen7 said:
I would believe the WHO ahead of anyone
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It’s impossible to say. For example, in China where it’s more or less run its course (until they remove the lockdown) there are 3100 deaths and 3600 critical out of 81000. That would give a worst case of 8% fatal if all the critical ones died. They won’t of course but even if none die the rate would be 3.8%. The big unknown is how many had it and were never tested and recovered out of sight. To get it to 1%, there would have to be at least another 230,000 untested cases, which is more than possible.
 
chesterbells said:
I’m an asthmatic myself, but even if I wasn’t, my response to you would be that I agree completely pal.
It’s all about calibrating the balance between taking it seriously, which will help, and panic/fear (or dwelling on it too much), which won’t.
I’ve decided I’m going to ration my social media from tomorrow, because the amount I’ve been on today hasn’t been a good idea if I’m honest.
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Yeah, the best thing to do is distract yourself when you're in a safe zone. Whether by doing your job or by reading a book or watching a tv series or doing some physical exercise.
Being stressed doesn't help at all and once you act responsibly and keep up with your government's decisions, there's not much more that you can do.
I'm saying this because I've had bouts of stress in these days as well, during moments when I should have been relaxing.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Anyone else feeling really anxious about all this ?
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Most people I think. We all show it in different ways. Some over react, some head in the sand, and some just quietly buy bog roll. We all think we have some idea of what's coming, but in reality we're all guessing - hence the anxiety
 
Uffa said:
Yeah, the best thing to do is distract yourself when you're in a safe zone. Whether by doing your job or by reading a book or watching a tv series or doing some physical exercise.
Being stressed doesn't help at all and once you act responsibly and keep up with your government's decisions, there's not much more that you can do.
I'm saying this because I've had bouts of stress in these days as well, during moments when I should have been relaxing.
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Don’t want to sound patronising, but your English is exceptional. Is Italian your first language?
 
domalino said:
If that 3.8% figure from WHO is what it's described as in the post (deaths/confirmed cases) then we already know for a fact that it's a massive overestimate because there are many people getting it, only having mild symptoms and recovering.
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Hundreds of thousands are also never being tested, so we've no idea how many actually had it in the first place, though I'm sure some deaths are being attributed to other causes too.

The most obvious thing is that we have little idea of any of the actual numbers, the official number of getting it world wide is just over 156,000, the real number could be 10 times that or more.
 
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