COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Well the fire service are now pulling out of meeting the public unless essential, no home safety visits or schools, community rooms closed. I think we will end up supporting the NHS as we did a few year back doing cardiac arrests and probably more as staff go sick. Next month is going to be telling as it grows out of control, Im expecting us to be working a hell of a lot as people in our job go down with it, so stay safe, check your smoke alarms and for fucks sake dont leave your cooking unattended.
 
BobKowalski said:
So as we can’t be trusted to follow best advice the Govt decided not to bother? Since when did we become so stupid as a nation? More to the point a lot of the nation has turned to social distancing, working from home etc so we seem to have adopted best advice without the Govt telling us to anyway. Businesses have also acted contrary to Govt advice.
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I don't understand your post Bob. You criticise me for saying not everyone will follow the Government's advice and then applaud people for ignoring it. Have you replied to the wrong post? Whereabouts in the UK do you live btw?
 
xgorton said:
That George bloke like a facking dog with a bone,don't anyone dare criticise his government. Is it safe to come back ?
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All flights to the Covid-19 thread have finally been cancelled. I therefore suggest you isolate where you are, it's probably safer than here anyway.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I would expect/hope/guess that the UK government's strategy is that being determined by the medical and scientific leaders / experts.

Why on earth would any UK PM/Government do anything else????

It would simply not make sense.....

Option 1: Follow the medical and scientific advice and you are safe from criticism in the future if it goes wrong and you can take the credit if it is proven to have been correct

Option 2: Do not follow the medical and scientific advice - and if the route you go is proven to be incorrect you are utterly toast.

I think that Johnson has a host of character flaws - but those flaws only make me think that he would hide behind the medical and scientific advice

People are just being irrational IMO - some just because of their need to hate
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That's all very good in theory but the experts will be working within parameters set by the government to some extent so it isn't simply whether you trust the scientist stood next to him, it's slightly more complex. The scientists won't be able to put into operation any plan they want or say whatever they want at those press conferences. Johnson and his government will have plenty of input. But regardless of that, perception is everything. Johnson is running the country, he is ultimately seen as the one who is making the final decisions and not many trust him. That is potentially a very big problem now. Totally agree that regardless of anything, if things go tits up worse here than other countries he will hide behind the scientists. No doubt at all. He's done it his whole life. Take big gambles, get lucky and he's laughing, if the gamble goes wrong - don't be held to account.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
"when two days previously it was the aim"

If you can show me a direct quote of someone in government stating this or where in all the information published by the government this is written I will refrain from commenting on your posts from now on.
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I posted the quote this morning. Are you telling me that you were unaware of the ‘herd immunity’ strategy? It’s all the media talked about. People were posting ‘informative’ Twitter threads on the science and thinking behind it. Patrick Vallance, govt’s chief scientific officer, two days ago:

"Our aim is to try to reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity"
 
mcfc1632 said:
I would expect/hope/guess that the UK government's strategy is that being determined by the medical and scientific leaders / experts.

Why on earth would any UK PM/Government do anything else????

It would simply not make sense.....

Option 1: Follow the medical and scientific advice and you are safe from criticism in the future if it goes wrong and you can take the credit if it is proven to have been correct

Option 2: Do not follow the medical and scientific advice - and if the route you go is proven to be incorrect you are utterly toast.

I think that Johnson has a host of character flaws - but those flaws only make me think that he would hide behind the medical and scientific advice

People are just being irrational IMO - some just because of their need to hate
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Think is with government advisors they may well have to work within a remit set out by the government.

1)minimum deaths, economy will recover.

2)minimum deaths while minimising eceonomy damage

3)keep economy as strong as possible while trying to mitigate the disease.

The gov could easily set out one of those and say they are following the best science and advisors.

the WHO made it very clear “alarming levels of inaction” that we ( and others ) are not doing everything we can to help. The WHO’s goal is no 1.
 
Bluemoon arguments identified the Chinese v Western conservatism approach a week ago. It's taken social commentators until today to recognise the divergence.
 
BobKowalski said:
I posted the quote this morning. Are you telling me that you were unaware of the ‘herd immunity’ strategy? It’s all the media talked about. People were posting ‘informative’ Twitter threads on the science and thinking behind it. Patrick Vallance, govt’s chief scientific officer, two days ago:

"Our aim is to try to reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity"
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The strategy is to extend the peak as you have posted and “also” in doing so build “some kind of herd immunity.” The strategy isn’t all about “herd immunity” as you have posted. That’s an aim as a byproduct of the main strategy as is evident from the quote.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I would expect/hope/guess that the UK government's strategy is that being determined by the medical and scientific leaders / experts.

Why on earth would any UK PM/Government do anything else????

It would simply not make sense.....

Option 1: Follow the medical and scientific advice and you are safe from criticism in the future if it goes wrong and you can take the credit if it is proven to have been correct

Option 2: Do not follow the medical and scientific advice - and if the route you go is proven to be incorrect you are utterly toast.

I think that Johnson has a host of character flaws - but those flaws only make me think that he would hide behind the medical and scientific advice

People are just being irrational IMO - some just because of their need to hate
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The converse is also true. The desire to support, the need to see a purposeful pattern in what the Govt does. In times of crisis it becomes an article of faith that the Govt has got this right and is listening to the best advice. To achieve this we have had Britain leads to world in this field and our unique approach is better than mass lockdowns.

In reality what we were doing wasn’t that much difference from the continent given the different timeline and our comms strategy is a mess as I have already pointed out with the ‘business as usual’ quickly followed by ‘restrictive measures on the way’ as the British public and industry were not going with ‘business as usual’.

All week we had discussion on ‘herd immunity’ and in one paywalled article the Health Sec. says it was never a thing. In what universe does someone think this contradiction is good comms strategy or putting briefings by a Health minister behind a paywall or anonymous briefings to journos is a good way to handle the situation?
 
grunge said:
Think is with government advisors they may well have to work within a remit set out by the government.

1)minimum deaths, economy will recover.

2)minimum deaths while minimising eceonomy damage

3)keep economy as strong as possible while trying to mitigate the disease.

The gov could easily set out one of those and say they are following the best science and advisors.

the WHO made it very clear “alarming levels of inaction” that we ( and others ) are not doing everything we can to help. The WHO’s goal is no 1.
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If the government gave the scientific advisors the brief that their priority was to protect the economy rather than human lives this would leak out into the public domain quicker than you could say ‘callous bastards’.
 
hgblue said:
Just imagine if Boris ignored the advice of this country’s top experts, the very same people would be spontaneously combusting.
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That’s not true, I’m a Boris fan.

I don’t follow the logic and I’m not alone as 99% of other countries also don’t follow the UK’s logic.
 
hgblue said:
Just imagine if Boris ignored the advice of this country’s top experts, the very same people would be spontaneously combusting.
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Not even the whole UK are following Boris’s plan N.Ireland and Scotland seem to be taking different paths to England, not sure about Wales. I’d have thought they are all taking advice from the same pool of experts.
 
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