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Korea have said patient 31 and a lack of social distancing and isolation was why the numbers exploded

Patient 31
It’s not clear where Patient 31 became infected with the virus, but in the days before her diagnosis, she travelled to crowded spots in Daegu, as well as in the capital Seoul. On February 6 she was in a minor traffic accident in Daegu, and checked herself into an Oriental medicine hospital. While at that hospital, she attended services at the Daegu branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, on February 9 and again on February 16.

In between those visits, on February 15, doctors at the hospital said they first suggested she be tested for the coronavirus, as she had a high fever. Instead, the woman went to a buffet lunch with a friend at a hotel. In an interview with local newspaper JoongAng Ilbo, the woman denied that doctors had advised her to be tested. As her symptoms worsened, however, doctors say they once again advised her to be tested. On February 17, she finally went to another hospital for the test. The next day, health authorities announced she was the country’s 31st confirmed case. In only a matter of days, those numbers had soared as hundreds of people at the Shincheonji Church and surrounding areas tested positive.

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Second video of the day from the Doc.

Says that Iran and Italy are countries that use a lot of drugs to reduce fever: paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin and steroids... but reducing the fever seems to be creating greater death rates.

He says let the fever run its course and do not use drugs/tablets to reduce the fever!

I’ve always half-jokingly held the view that taking these things makes you soft and humans shouldn’t be taking these things when they’re ill or in pain. We have our own built-in painkillers and temperature managing hormones and enzymes, and we don’t need to take external ones.

These types of tablets are also bad for our organs
https://www.everydayhealth.com/pain...eeffects-of-over-the-counter-painkillers.aspx
 
In Amsterdam, pubs, restaurants, gyms, coffee shops all closed down till 6th April, I imagine public transport to follow too. Scary times, the virus is deeply worrying but so is isolation too
 
domalino said:
Speaking of the horse racing we should see a massive outbreak in Cheltenham soon if it really was the danger that people said it was.

250,000 visitors to the racecourse over the 4 days, 2.5x the population of the town and most of them ate drank and slept in Cheltenham and the surrounding area too.

4-5 days standard time to show symptoms, today is 5 days from Day 1 of racing.
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Let's hope not.

Crazy that people would risk their health and the health of any love ones who already have health issues.
 
Mikeegrini said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Spring 2021!

“For the public to hear that it could last for 12 months, people are going to be really upset about that and pretty worried about that”, said Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia.

“A year is entirely plausible. But that figure isn’t well appreciated or understood,” added Hunter, an expert in epidemiology.

“I think it will dip in the summer, towards the end of June, and come back in November, in the way that usual seasonal flu does. I think it will be around forever, but become less severe over time, as immunity builds up,” he added.

The admission that the virus will continue to cause problems for another year appears to undermine hopes that the arrival of warmer weather this summer would kill it.
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No one has suggested the summer will kill it only that it will slow it down and help the NHS cope.
 
argyle said:
Seeing people running marathons, attending horse racing or concerts in their thousands; along with posts from people I know being in pubs and restaurant's... I think people in UK have no idea just how bad things are going to get.

Every other country is enacting some form of social distancing to slow it down yet this country has to bumble it's way through situations yet again.
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Not sure about every other country. Take Australia for instance. I’m not totally up to speed with what’s going on there admittedly but a guy on my FB friends list (an exiled City fan I met on Boxing Day at West Brom a few years back) who lives in Melbourne has been out on the piss all weekend and it seems plenty others over there were too. His status on Friday was hoping the New Order gig he was planning to attend in Melbourne wasn’t going to get called off due to “coronavirus hysteria”. Which is weird because he’s really political and I’d have thought with him being left-wing he’d be sticking the boot into the government over this whole issue while also displaying some genuine concern over it, yet he’s acting like there isn’t even an issue at all! Now I don’t know whether that is being replicated across Australia. Perhaps someone can clarify? Maybe they’re lagging a bit just as we seemed to be up until a week or so ago?
 
Posted earlier in the panic buying thread regarding people stockpiling ibuprofen. As any asthmatic knows or should know they and other NSAIDS (non steroid based anti-inflammatory drugs) are a no go as they cause the airways to narrow. Therefore I'm a bit shocked that on the NHS stay at home advice regarding a virus that attacks the respiratory system they recommend it as an everyday painkiller like paracetamol. From personal experience I can assure you it's not
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Someone who explains it clearly and to all is what is needed but it will put the shits up people.

He is using one million people in his examples and 50,000 needing ventilators but I suppose they wont all need one at the same time.

However if the government prediction of up to 80% getting this, then based on what this fella is saying, then up to 2.5m people may need them and 5m need oxygen. Even if spread over a year that’s 100,000 a week potentially needing a ventilator.

Why haven’t there been any National TV announcements on this? Are they just trying to stop panic?
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The less information given from a gov, the safer its citizens feel. A leadership depends on its citizens being ignorant, is what the gov hopes for, but the new age of information, they need a new strategy.
 
Postman Pep said:
Posted earlier in the panic buying thread regarding people stockpiling ibuprofen. As any asthmatic knows or should know they and other NSAIDS (non steroid based anti-inflammatory drugs) are a no go as they cause the airways to narrow. Therefore I'm a bit shocked that on the NHS stay at home advice regarding a virus that attacks the respiratory system they recommend it as an everyday painkiller like paracetamol. From personal experience I can assure you it's not
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Yes, I found out the hard way nearly 20 years ago after tearing an intercostal muscle that ibuprofen is bad news for asthmatics, it caused almost instant tightening of the chest, frightened the bloody life out of me.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Someone who explains it clearly and to all is what is needed but it will put the shits up people.

He is using one million people in his examples and 50,000 needing ventilators but I suppose they wont all need one at the same time.

However if the government prediction of up to 80% getting this, then based on what this fella is saying, then up to 2.5m people may need them and 5m need oxygen. Even if spread over a year that’s 100,000 a week potentially needing a ventilator.

Why haven’t there been any National TV announcements on this? Are they just trying to stop panic?
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He's very good but seems to not know everything. 5Live had an emergency medicine specialist on yesterday who said that multiple people can be hooked up to each ventilator which throws his maths off completely.

He said up to 4 people could be hooked up depending on how bad a state they were in.

Also, I don't want to sound disparaging because I think his content is very good, but I do wonder how many of his viewers know he's not a medical doctor, but a nurse with a teaching PhD?
 
M18CTID said:
Not sure about every other country. Take Australia for instance. I’m not totally up to speed with what’s going on there admittedly but a guy on my FB friends list (an exiled City fan I met on Boxing Day at West Brom a few years back) who lives in Melbourne has been out on the piss all weekend and it seems plenty others over there were too. His status on Friday was hoping the New Order gig he was planning to attend in Melbourne wasn’t going to get called off due to “coronavirus hysteria”. Which is weird because he’s really political and I’d have thought with him being left-wing he’d be sticking the boot into the government over this whole issue while also displaying some genuine concern over it, yet he’s acting like there isn’t even an issue at all! Now I don’t know whether that is being replicated across Australia. Perhaps someone can clarify? Maybe they’re lagging a bit just as we seemed to be up until a week or so ago?
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My wife’s second cousin is planning to emigrate from Victoria to the uk next month. My daughter has agreed to put her and her family up when she arrives until they find somewhere to live. So there’ll be 3 adults and 4 kids under 7 sharing a 3 bed semi. She’ll be starting a new job, her partner has a temp job but looking for something better, they’ll be sorting out schools for their kids, house hunting etc. All during the peak.

Apparently she’s quite relaxed about it
 
lancs blue said:
Yes, I found out the hard way nearly 20 years ago after tearing an intercostal muscle that ibuprofen is bad news for asthmatics, it caused almost instant tightening of the chest, frightened the bloody life out of me.
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21 years for me had to be revived and had it all explained to me afterwards (wasn't diagnosed as asthmatic at the time). Cannot believe that those dangers are not being emphasised never mind recommending it as an 'everyday' painkiller.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
If sold out then try this. A clag free arse or your monkey back.

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From Viz iirc
 
Psychedelic Casual said:


Second video of the day from the Doc.

Says that Iran and Italy are countries that use a lot of drugs to reduce fever: paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin and steroids... but reducing the fever seems to be creating greater death rates.

He says let the fever run its course and do not use drugs/tablets to reduce the fever!

I’ve always half-jokingly held the view that taking these things makes you soft and humans shouldn’t be taking these things when they’re ill or in pain. We have our own built-in painkillers and temperature managing hormones and enzymes, and we don’t need to take external ones.

These types of tablets are also bad for our organs
https://www.everydayhealth.com/pain...eeffects-of-over-the-counter-painkillers.aspx
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I posted the same vid earlier, but now you've posted it again, I'm thinking 'I'm sure the doc advocated Vit D to take'!
 
Bigga said:
I posted the same vid earlier, but now you've posted it again, I'm thinking 'I'm sure the doc advocated Vit D to take'!
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He did. There are many positives to taking Vitamin D supplements, especially for us in the Winter months where we live.

It’s good to take for a variety of reasons, as we don’t get enough sunlight in the Winter, but especially for respiratory infections.

https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583
 
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