COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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The virus got to the border and thought better of it.

Not true - it got all the way to Moscow and got shit faced on bootleg vodka in a park with a load of drunks.............its currently on the loose but face down in a pool of its own vomit
 
So, I would probably include coronary issues as if you get the virus it will put a strain on major organs.

There's not much else that can be classed as "underlying issues" as major as I've indicated.
I am telling you they are counting anything and everything,unless they specify what they mean i will keep believing that,it is panic control
 
He did, is he saying not to now?

Just watched both videos from today he doesn't say not to take vitamin D, his advice is not to take ibuprofen etc to lower fever.
His advice is at about 13 mins in on the second video from today. He's talking about the exceptionally high fatality rate in Itay, over 6%, and thinks it may be down to use of drugs to reduce fevers. Looking like he will do some research into it and do another video on it tomorrow.
 
Tell me how doing very little is likely to delay the spread more than say, doing what every other country is doing in restricting gatherings and closing bars etc?
That’s the bit I don’t get. Your aim is the same as ours and as far as I can see you are only a week behind making these exact same decisions as your population will ensure it by not adhering to recommendations anyway.

In the overall timescale of the benefits of flattening the spike I really fail to grasp the reasoning for the delays.

The truth is the Manchester derby should not have happened. Cheltenham should not have happened. Atletico should not have travelled to Liverpool etc etc. unless you want people to catch the virus and I still don’t understand how that stops the spike which will cripple your NHS.

We are closing pubs/bars, from midnight. The latest recommendation from Simon Coveney to people abroad returning is to get a flight booked by Thursday as they cant guarantee Ryanair or Aer Lingus accommodating them after that.
That sounds ominously like we are heading towards a shutdown by the end of the week.
 
We are closing pubs/bars, from midnight. The latest recommendation from Simon Coveney to people abroad returning is to get a flight booked by Thursday as they cant guarantee Ryanair or Aer Lingus accommodating them after that.
That sounds ominously like we are heading towards a shutdown by the end of the week.
I don’t think we’ll be far behind, mate.
 
Well that's not going to be possible for people using public transport is it.

We have quite empty buses and trains due to our measures,
some regional trains are already cancelled and free from ticket control by train staff
because of closed schools and many parents not at work.
The 2m distance just HAS to work, and most of us still have to learn new routines.
It's a big task, and everyone is needed.

Here is why:
every single new infection will give it (on average) to 2 others (or maybe 3)
and after 4 weeks we have 59,049 new cases (or maybe 1,048,576).

From every single infection.

5%of those new cases would be 2,952 critical cases (or maybe EDIT 52,428), needing ICUs.

That's exponential growth...
 
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My nephew went to the races. He lives in York. So if anyone did catch it at Cheltenham, it will could be spread anywhere in the country, not necessarily in Cheltenham itself.

Yes, but I imagine your nephew didn't just drive to the racecourse, interact with only other visitors and leave.

The people of Cheltenham - the bar staff, temp workers, restaurant and hotel workers are the constant and make up roughly 20-25% of the crowd as well. So then they catch it off the visitors with the virus and go home and spread it to their families and their kids spread it to their class mates and so on.

So even if 80% of racegoers who weren't local then scattered to the four corners of the country (and Ireland) there would still be a massive outbreak at the epicentre.
 
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The Guardian are running with this lasting a year and 8 million in hospital,a leak from NHS england i think

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The Guardian says a secret Public Health England briefing for senior NHS officials reveals the coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9m people being treated in hospital.
 
I am telling you they are counting anything and everything,unless they specify what they mean i will keep believing that,it is panic control

...But it's a respiratory disease.

That's like counting arthritis, a joint pain, or an ingrowing toe nail, as an underlying issue.

I will find out from the consultants tomorrow, when I'm in.
 
The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...re_AndroidApp_Tweet&__twitter_impression=true

For those who don't want to klick heres the article in full.....

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'
Exclusive: Public Health England document seen by Guardian says four in five ‘expected’ to contract virus

Denis Campbell Health policy editor
Published: 19:53 GMT Sunday, 15


The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.

The document says that: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”

The briefing sets out the latest official thinking about how severely the infection could affect both the public’s health and that of personnel in critical services such as the NHS, police, the fire brigade and transport.

It has been drawn up in recent days by PHE’s emergency preparedness and response team and approved as accurate by Dr Susan Hopkins, PHE’s lead official dealing with the outbreak. It has been shared with hospital bosses and senior doctors in the NHS in Engand.

“For the public to hear that it could last for 12 months, people are going to be really upset about that and pretty worried about that”, said Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia.

“A year is entirely plausible. But that figure isn’t well appreciated or understood,” added Hunter, an expert in epidemiology.

“I think it will dip in the summer, towards the end of June, and come back in November, in the way that usual seasonal flu does. I think it will be around forever, but become less severe over time, as immunity builds up,” he added.

The admission that the virus will continue to cause problems for another year appears to undermine hopes that the arrival of warmer weather this summer would kill it

The document also discloses that an estimated 500,000 of the 5 million people deemed vital because they work “in essential services and critical infrastructure” will be off sick at any one time during a month-long peak of the epidemic. The 5 million include 1m NHS staff and 1.5 million in social care.

However, the briefing raises questions about how Britain would continue to function normally, warning that: “It is estimated that at least 10% of people in the UK will have a cough at any one time during the months of peak Covid-19 activity.” Under revised health advice Boris Johnson unveiled last Thursday, anyone with a cough should self-isolate for at least seven days.

The document also states that:

  • The health service cannot cope with the sheer number of people with symptoms who need to be tested because laboratories are “under significant demand pressures”.

  • From now on only the very seriously ill who are already in hospital and people in care homes and prisons where the coronavirus has been detected will get tested.

  • Testing services are under such strain that even NHS staff will not be swabbed, despite their key role and the risk of them passing the virus on to patients.
A senior NHS figure involved in preparing for the growing “surge” in patients whose lives are being put at risk by Covid-19 said an 80% infection rate could lead to more than half a million people dying.

If the mortality rate turns out to be the 1% many experts are using as their working assumption then that would mean 531,100 deaths. But if Whitty’s insistence that the rate will be closer to 0.6% proves accurate, then that would involve 318,660 people dying.

Experts advising governments worldwide on the way epidemics grow and eventually decline say there will be a rapid rise in cases to a peak – and then a falling off. Whitty, who has seen the modelling done by UK and global scientists, says the case numbers will go up fast over the next 10 to 14 weeks.

That will mean a peak at around the end of May to mid-June, when the NHS will be under great pressure. The strategy of all countries is to delay that peak and stretch it out over a longer period of time, so that health services are better able to cope. There is also the possibility that new treatments will be available by then.


After the peak, case numbers and deaths are expected to drop for 10 weeks or more, until they reach a fairly low level, which may not be zero. In the summer months especially, the case numbers are expected to reduce because people spend more time out of doors and are less likely to be confined at close quarters in small rooms in a house or office with people who are infected.

There is still a worry that the virus could resurge in the autumn or winter months, which means planning for the long term will be necessary. Until a vaccine is developed, perhaps in 18 months, health planners cannot be sure of being able to protect people from the disease.
 
Italy: Population - 60m
Coronavirus cases - 21,157
Deaths - 1,441

UK: Population: 66m
Coronavirus cases - 1,372
Deaths - 35

Italy had their first confirmed case 24hrs before the UK.

The strategy is working.
 
Yes, but I imagine your nephew didn't just drive to the racecourse, interact with only other visitors and leave.

The people of Cheltenham, the bar staff, temp worker, restaurant and hotel workers are the constant and make up roughly 20-25% of the crowd as well. So then they catch it off the visitors with the virus and go home and spread it to their families and their kids spread it to their class mates and so on.
I’ve previously posted that Cheltenham is the sporting meeting more suited than any other for spreading a virus: the flow, volume and concentration of people, the lack of hygienic facilities, the amount of readies changing hands and the after-party in the local hostelries.

Absolute madness it went ahead.
 
...But it's a respiratory disease.

That's like counting arthritis, a joint pain, or an ingrowing toe nail, as an underlying issue.

I will find out from the consultants tomorrow, when I'm in.
My lungs were perfect ,my heart the same,if i had crocked they would have used one of my other issues none would have killed me but they would say it did
 
I’ve previously posted that Cheltenham is the spirting meeting more suited than any other for spreading a virus. The flow and concentration of people, the lack of hygienic facilities, the amount of readies changing hands and the after-party in the local hostelries.

Absolute madness it went ahead.

Yeah it's 100x worse than a football situation where you go to your seat for 45 minutes and stand next to 4 or 5 people you could infect, then maybe get a pint or a piss at half time and then back to your seat.

At the races, 70,000 people are constantly milling about, interacting with everyone, queing for the bar, queing for the totes, heading to the track to see a race, then back to the bar until the next race.
 
There is very little point in swabbing NHS staff, particularly those dealing with CV - if they are asymptotic yet test positive that’s one less pair of hands for 2 weeks!
 
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