COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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ManCitizens. said:
My mate (25yrs) was denied a test on Friday, he’s had all of the symptoms for the past 10 days and has been coughing up blood. He’s been denied a test and told to self isolate.

I don’t know exactly what’s going on but it’s obvious the current figures are skewed, Boris himself said last week he thinks there could be 10,000 infected at a time the U.K. officially ‘only’ had about 400.

I’ve been in direct contact with him as we shared a snooker cue last week and sat together at Wembley (not knowing how he’d been). I work for the emergency services and rang 111 for advice as advised by my boss. I was told only to self isolate if I have symptoms or have been in direct contact with a confirmed case. How can I know if he’s a confirmed case if they won’t test him?
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Apologies - just saw the last paragraph you added. I agree that it's a bit annoying trying to suss if you've been in direct contact with a definite carrier or not. I can only add that they simply don't have the resources to test us all.

As an aside, places like Wembley were a breeding ground for this - not just being sat in the stadium itself, but going for a piss at half-time, mixing in the pubs before and after, travelling on the tube before and after, etc. I actually can't believe that that game was only 15 days ago, given how everything has escalated so much since. In that 7 days from March 1st, I went to Wembley, Hillsborough, and Old Trafford, so fuck knows how many people I could've come into contact with who had it, and of course how many people I could've passed it on to if I (unknowingly) had it. Since then I've knocked all unnecessary contact on the head which means sacking off the pub, going out for meals, etc. Honestly, I feel like this is a script right out of the most far-fetched of horror stories.
 
Are people assuming they have the virus considering they are not being tested? There seems to be a lot of slebs announcing they have it and if we take that as an indication are they guessing too? I ask this because I only thought they tested the hospitalised.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Not so sure myself, as a lot of people just don't have the ability to interpret simple data let alone complex analysis, and it tends to be the loudest voices that get heard not the most intelligent. That's not safe in this day and age.
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That was among the concerns I acknowledged, but it would likely only be a very small number of people with data science (like me) and/or scientific research backgrounds that would even be able to do anything with the models, so I think the overall “bad” impact would be lower than the overall “good” impact.

Just my opinion, of course, and I don’t think they will be doing it any time soon, anyway, for the reasons we have discussed.
 
karen7 said:
Tesco just rang me,the drivers are told to ask everyone if they are ill,i told him yesterday i had it 3 weeks ago so his manager rang me to say they wont bring my shopping in again but leave it at the door,i told him i haven't been infectious for about 2 weeks now but he still says they wont bring in my shopping,doesnt make much difference to me but they really need to educate themselves about it,they cant catch it off me now
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nobody knows whether that’s true or not.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
That quote you gave - same sentence, so linked, however inadvertently. No clear mention of a radically different timeframe. No clarification published despite immediate reporting indicating that the media understanding was other than what might be intended.

I do not consider advice to be action - no enforcement, not practical for some population. Woolly, and doesn't butter parsnips. Blocking major events/gatherings would have been action, but they didn't. They didn't even ban foreign school trips from what I heard, they merely advised about them!

And you're down to being insulting, wilfully. That always works well here.

Edit: see later note to @SebastianBlue.
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whatever their words their actions showed they wanted the most people to catch it early to get herd immunity,they talked about 60% needing to get it and by not banning mass gatherings,football etc they demonstrated they wanted mass exposure,i don't know why some people are denying that was their plan
 
Akpowell said:
Has there been any more fatalities today?
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I'd be amazed if not, i suspect they are holding the numbers back until Johnsons update later today. every day the numbers are increasing and wouldnt be surprised to see the number of deaths go up by another 20 today.
 
WHO are basically saying now in their presser you must test all suspected cases.

Sufferers can be infectious for possibly two weeks after symptoms have stopped.

Children can catch it and thinking it is just the elderly at risk isn't correct, though are still the highest risk.

Don't hoarde items, wash hands and use social distancing.


Solidarity amongsts nations and people is necessary.
 
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Indaparkside said:
The government are to use best western hotels as itu beds with ventilators in them, jcb will be making the ventilators senior staff received a memo yesterday
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I am just catching up with the thread mate (and this point might have been covered elsewhere) but it seems some other countries are using 3D printed components in ventilators so it might not be as difficult as it seemed yesterday to scale up production. It clearly requires having the raw materials and maybe flexibility over medical device regs.
 
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Tricky_Trev said:
Have they confirmed they are able to do it? Last I read was about them wanting to help but it being unlikely anyone can do much. There’s no agreed blueprint and getting the components will take many weeks potentially months. Has there been an update to that?
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Some of the trickier components can be reproduced using a 3D printer.
 
karen7 said:
whatever their words their actions showed they wanted the most people to catch it early to get herd immunity,they talked about 60% needing to get it and by not banning mass gatherings,football etc they demonstrated they wanted mass exposure,i don't know why some people are denying that was their plan
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Because there is so much out there in the media being said it is now difficult to understand what is and what isn't true. Supposedly PHE said that worst case scenario means 7.9m people will end up in hospital. Doesn't say over what time period from what I could see not dos it say that any measures put in place will mean it won't happen so not a very helpful piece. Mail headline yesterday said a 59 year old died of the illness but then goes on to quote his wife saying that until he has the post mortem they don't know what he died from. But if you don't read the article you just see the headline. I can't believe that people are using this virus to increase clicks, likes, followers etc.
 
urban genie said:
WHO are basically saying now in their presser you must test all suspected cases.
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In line with what @domalino, I, and a few others on here were saying is needed and we would likely eventually shift to doing.

Targeted testing on potentially impacted cohorts is the most efficient and informative strategy (rather than randomised or full population testing, which would require massive resources to do continually, cyclically, and wouldn’t be particularly informative).
 
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