Democrat US Presidential Nominations

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SWP's back said:
The turn out numbers in the Dem primaries suggest that Biden will beat Trump by a very decent margin.
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Trump beat Hilary by turnout. They were equally disliked at best, the difference was Trump convinced his people to turnout and Hilary didn't quite get the numbers. The thing is Biden is not Hilary he is likeable and Trump is no longer the under dog looking to shake it up. Trump has a battle to maintain his turn out. Biden just needs the smallest of upticks. Therecent voting patterns shows a good bump in Dem turnout is likely. That alone should do it. And that is largely before you factor in the virus.

FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don't understand this post. Making Trump the issue was the best strategy before COVID-19 hit. Now it's the only strategy. All of the domestic economic accomplishments he was going to run on aren't just wavering, they are utterly collapsing -- we may very well be in the worst contraction since the Great Depression. He'll have his cult who though now increasingly jobless and penniless will still consider him the Messiah of America, but there simply aren't enough of them to overcome everyone else who didn't like him much before and now has seen quite clearly as they cower in fear in their own residences that he cannot lead nor galvanize the nation. They're going to lash out looking for someone to blame for this wreck and it's going to be the President, rightly or wrongly.
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As above its all about Turnout. Trump motivated all sorts of people who never vote to go out and vote. Trumps abject failure to lead in a time of crisis will have a similar impact for Biden.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Putting Biden up as a candidate is making it a referendum against Trump though, are you even aware of how dangerous that could be? You're right up against the reddit generation ffs.
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I have no idea what you mean by the Reddit generation stuff, but in what universe could this election not be a referendum against Trump? He's an extremely divisive sitting president and has been the dominant story in politics every day for the last four years. Trump, COVID, and the economy are the only thing people are thinking about.
 
cjn said:
I have no idea what you mean by the Reddit generation stuff, but in what universe could this election not be a referendum against Trump? He's an extremely divisive sitting president and has been the dominant story in politics every day for the last four years. Trump, COVID, and the economy are the only thing people are thinking about.
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I'm saying I think Sanders could have nicked more of his base away.
 
Sanders' run may be over, but the Progressive seeds are planting:

Progressive Marie Newman beats Democratic incumbent Dan Lipinski in primary.

Whether Biden or #45 wins the presidency, they will just encourage a new progressive party that will push against the bullshit over incrementalism; a choice of action that does not benefit the lowest working nation.

#DemExit seems to be a trend I'm seeing around.
 
Bigga said:
Sanders' run may be over, but the Progressive seeds are planting:

Progressive Marie Newman beats Democratic incumbent Dan Lipinski in primary.

Whether Biden or #45 wins the presidency, they will just encourage a new progressive party that will push against the bullshit over incrementalism; a choice of action that does not benefit the lowest working nation.

#DemExit seems to be a trend I'm seeing around.
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List of left wing alternative / third parties in the US
They have always been theer and they are not going to have any impact. When it comes to it in November voters will look at Trump and think I either like the guy and will vote for him or not vote at all or i dont like the guy and I will vote for the Dems.
 
Biden getting the nomination is just as bad as Hillary and reflects just how broken & corrupt the system is. Only Corona will dislodge Trump, either way the outlook for the US remains as murky as it has been
 
Bigga said:
Sanders' run may be over, but the Progressive seeds are planting:

Progressive Marie Newman beats Democratic incumbent Dan Lipinski in primary.

Whether Biden or #45 wins the presidency, they will just encourage a new progressive party that will push against the bullshit over incrementalism; a choice of action that does not benefit the lowest working nation.

#DemExit seems to be a trend I'm seeing around.
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Bigga, I'm sorry mate but you've got this one wrong, its Trump and Murdoch put out no matter what. We need the likes of you to pull it off as well mate.
 
FCBarca said:
Biden getting the nomination is just as bad as Hillary and reflects just how broken & corrupt the system is. Only Corona will dislodge Trump, either way the outlook for the US remains as murky as it has been
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You've got it wrong as well mate and I'm as far left as any poster on here.
 
FCBarca said:
I remember when Marin was actually progressive
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I remember when my friend, husband of the director of fundraising at my kid's school, fellow parent at my kid's school, and current progressive State Assemblyman, ran against an established Democratic party candidate for the job to represent Marin and the north counties, and won with a grassroots campaign and no support from the local party apparatus -- who was viscerally against his candidacy.

And he didn't whine like a little bitch about it or claim conspiracy theory.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Bigga, I'm sorry mate but you've got this one wrong, its Trump and Murdoch put out no matter what. We need the likes of you to pull it off as well mate.
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Those two cretins are the extreme version of right wing politics that benefit the 1%.

What you're advocating is an unseen, but same pathway politics that doesn't change anything for its citizens.

The post above with Krystal Ball echoes what progressives have been saying for ages that incrementalism is not a necessity, but a choice.

The Dems and GOPs are two heads on the same body.
 
Bigga said:
Those two cretins are the extreme version of right wing politics that benefit the 1%.

What you're advocating is an unseen, but same pathway politics that doesn't change anything for its citizens.

The post above with Krystal Ball echoes what progressives have been saying for ages that incrementalism is not a necessity, but a choice.

The Dems and GOPs are two heads on the same body.
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I don't care Bigga, it's Trump out no matter what and the left v left bollocks can wait another day, are we clear in that? This isn't the day for you and me to fight, this is the day to kick these cunts out regardless of where you stand.
 
FCBarca said:
Biden getting the nomination is just as bad as Hillary and reflects just how broken & corrupt the system is. Only Corona will dislodge Trump, either way the outlook for the US remains as murky as it has been
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Yeah, I'm unsure why the US citizens can vote for a guy that's not going to implement a health care system that they overwhelmingly approve of.

And proving that money could and would be found for an agenda that's badly needed for a people is what's happening now and yet nobody asks where it's come from!!

It's utterly bizarre!!
 
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