Democrat US Presidential Nominations

They both do. So who wins the middle? And if Bernie doesn’t get the nom, do 12% of Sanders supporters stay home and pout like last time?

If Sanders gets the nom and wins the Presidency, you know who should get the thanks? Biden, Mayor Pete, Warren, Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton supporters, that’s who — for not acting like Sanders supporters in 2016.

Very true.

I'm getting the vibe from afar that Biden is fading at a crucial stage and opening the door to the rest. Sanders will take a lead at some stage but as the field narrows he will likely fall in to 2nd place.

When it comes down to it I just think he is too old and too extreme as well as being too old is not a good combination.

If he loses will they again lose their shit again?
 
Very true.

I'm getting the vibe from afar that Biden is fading at a crucial stage and opening the door to the rest. Sanders will take a lead at some stage but as the field narrows he will likely fall in to 2nd place.

When it comes down to it I just think he is too old and too extreme as well as being too old is not a good combination.

If he loses will they again lose their shit again?

I mean Sanders could win the nomination and surprise us as a no-nonsense, genuine crank who people like for speaking his mind and give Trump a run for his money.

But that was much more likely to happen in 2016 when Trump wasn't running against an incumbent but a Democratic legacy. Now it's tougher, because Trump is the incumbent. He's going to point to the economy (which has been flooded with liquidity), point to Sanders and say, "Capitalism built this economy and this nation and this guy's Socialism will destroy it", and moderates/independents/undecideds/conflicteds will vote their (perception of their) pocketbooks.

Unless, again, I've under-estimated the blue backlash against Trump, or if Bernie becomes more moderate and unifying (which destroys his image).

I keep saying Trump is dying to run against Sanders because this then becomes a single-issue election -- and it won't be about Trump himself, it will become about the (liquidity-infused) Trump economy.

Sanders supporters are Trump supporters wearing different-colored hats.

"The reason so few few revolutionaries start revolutions is that revolutionaries tend to be puritans, and puritans are a pain in the ass." -- Robert Christgau
 
Why are Americans so averse to the term Social Democratic.
Don’t answer that it’s rhetorical.
You’d think that vast swathes of the population could do with just a pinch of socialism or at least more equitable services.
But the mere mention of that word conjures up Soviet Russia in the minds of the public and yet it is truer that Trump is more beholding to Putin and Russia than the likes of Sanders ever would be.
 
Why are Americans so averse to the term Social Democratic.
Don’t answer that it’s rhetorical.
You’d think that vast swathes of the population could do with just a pinch of socialism or at least more equitable services.
But the mere mention of that word conjures up Soviet Russia in the minds of the public and yet it is truer that Trump is more beholding to Putin and Russia than the likes of Sanders ever would be.
The Dem's have been pretty poor at getting the message across to the general public, and the Republican's are a well oiled propaganda machine with a truck load of dirty money. The whole system is massively corrupt in favour of big business, who in turn generally support the GOP.
 
It’ll obviously be whittled down to two real competitors by then, but Klobuchar *may* still have a chance to be one of them given the partial results released. We’ll have to see how the full Iowa results, NH, and NV finish.

I don’t think that is necessarily likely, but I am starting to get the feeling Biden is going to fade out quickly in the next two primaries, and there may be openings depending one what happens with PB and Warren.
Sticking with this prediction for now.
 
The Dem's have been pretty poor at getting the message across to the general public, and the Republican's are a well oiled propaganda machine with a truck load of dirty money. The whole system is massively corrupt in favour of big business, who in turn generally support the GOP.

https://www.axios.com/ceo-political-giving-republicans-1ef230b4-ba70-4be9-86f7-38c64fcc097e.html

Interesting work above completed last year, though ironically the six largest companies in America by market cap are run either by Democrats or those too smart to state their affiliations (but whose public pronouncements lean left).
 
Why are Americans so averse to the term Social Democratic.
Don’t answer that it’s rhetorical.
You’d think that vast swathes of the population could do with just a pinch of socialism or at least more equitable services.
But the mere mention of that word conjures up Soviet Russia in the minds of the public and yet it is truer that Trump is more beholding to Putin and Russia than the likes of Sanders ever would be.

I know it's rhetorical but I think the roots of America's founding history are so embedded in a distrust of government/bureaucratic oversight that I suspect we'll never shake it. And for good reason sometimes. There is still a "bootstraps" element to how we think and the mythic heroes of America politically-speaking are depicted as these self-reliant go-getters who made their way via hard work and bravely fought against the tyranny of oppressive governments, whether the British or the Nazis.

Of course, try to alter Social Security or Medicare and see how averse Americans are to the term! But the objections there are rooted in "we paid our way in; we want what we paid for."
 
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https://www.axios.com/ceo-political-giving-republicans-1ef230b4-ba70-4be9-86f7-38c64fcc097e.html

Interesting work above completed last year, though ironically the six largest companies in America by market cap are run either by Democrats or those too smart to state their affiliations (but whose public pronouncements lean left).


From the article, to support @Trevor Morley's Tache’s point:

The big picture: The chief executives of America's largest public companies are more than twice as likely to lean Republican in their campaign contributions than to favor Democrats.
 
I know its rhetorical but I think the roots of America's founding history are so embedded in a distrust of government/bureaucratic oversight that I suspect we'll never shake it. And for good reason sometimes. There is still a "bootstraps" element to how we think and the mythic heroes of America politically-speaking are depicted as these self-reliant go-getters who made their way via hard work and bravely fought against the tyranny of oppressive governments, whether the British or the Nazis.

Of course, try to alter Social Security or Medicare and see how averse Americans are to the term! But the objections there are rooted in "we paid our way in; we want what we paid for."
Agree generally.

But we also know that Trump’s base are far too easily manipulated in to acting/voting against their own interests (as well as those of the nation), so I do worry they could be genuinely convinced that decimating Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security — as Trump’s proposed, but dead-on-arrival, budget has — is the correct path forward for the country.

Or, and perhaps worse, they could be convinced Trump isn’t doing that at all, as the programmes are destroyed via cuts and undermining of policy/legal precedent, which is also what the Trump admin are doing now.

Trump even claimed over the weekend that his budget did not touch Medicare or Social Security, even though it would actually slash the funding of both by roughly half a trillion dollars over the next 10 years. He said only the Democrats would destroy the programmes, so he could do it himself and then just blame the Democrats and they would likely believe him.

They are incredibly susceptible to gaslighting.
 

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