COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[i8rags]

You give your mrs blow jobs?

I consider a blow job a treat for her, am I wrong

 

[johnnytapia]

Great to see some people have the whole thing in perspective:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...astrophe-for-students-or-a-golden-opportunity

"On Wednesday night, I witnessed my daughter and her friends experiencing something akin to a bereavement. They will not be able to go through the ordinary rites of passage associated with the end of one’s schooling. Instead, they will be self-isolating for a lengthy period, with nothing to do"

What. A. Fucking. Shame.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think the difference in stance has nothing to do with the leadership but rather the consideration of the science as presented and an appreciation of timescale. This isn't over in 12 weeks, we might have control of it by then, i.e. turned the tide. This is here until we have a vaccine, an effective treatment and some measure of herd immunity. Until then we are very much balancing supply and demand of health system and that includes most importantly health workers. Hence not closing schools completely but turning them into daycare for health workers children and as a by product those others who will benefit from being cared for.

A quick look at the UK news re. supermarkets and social distancing from the outside and comparing it to behaviour in some(but not all) other countries can only lead to the conclusion that the UK population in general (but not all) will not be able to adjust well to 3 months behind closed doors followed by another three when the second wave starts.

If the UK population were all automatons then full lockdown on day 1 would be viable. They are not thank god, they are liberal and free thinking and experimental and adventurous. That's why they lead the world in so many fields from the arts to science to social justice. These are the benefits of the UK. But with those benefits come disadvantages. It's a balancing act and despite the general tone on bluemoon, the latest polls show that the majority of the UK believe the government is handling it well. In a liberal society the government needs the support of the nation.

I actually had the Dambusters music going through my head reading the last paragraph.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Claire Fox on Sky News commenting on new suppliers of ventilators and possible vaccines........" get rid of red tape - we need to circumvent the elite and just get on with things"

Medical equipment and medicines launched on the populace without proper testing and trials in the middle of a pandemic......why not? I mean what could go wrong? Stupid populist fucking cow

 

[BobKowalski]

From the Times

‘Rishi Sunak expected to unveil huge package of wage subsidies and tax cuts tomorrow

Measures being weighted up in Treasury tonight include:

* Govt funding 60% of median wage for workers. PAYE reversal being mooted

* Cuts to employers NI and possibly even income tax’

 

[Luddite_Blue]

I don't know why people can't figure this out and continue to pretend like it's bad policy.

We don't have the testing facility to test all hospitalised patients and all NHS workers with a symptom. As soon as the testing scales up, NHS workers will be the first in line.

The article you've posted literally has the response under the quote. "We really hope the government ramps up priority testing as soon as possible.” followed immediately by "Mr. Johnson said this week that Britain would begin testing health care workers."

Why is the increase in testing, I believe it's being doubled, only starting now? Is that not a lack of foresight or investment by those in charge?

Why would you start ramping up testing only after non testing 'may have allowed undiagnosed patients to infect hospital workers or undiagnosed medical workers to infect patients.' - what is the point of that? The article also says ' But widespread testing has not yet begun, and the health service has yet to set out the criteria or procedures.' - are you also supportive of this?

 

[i8rags]

What the hope is is that this virus has shifted a percentage of deaths a small way forward. That is to say some people, who would have died in June for example, have died in February or March. As tragic as that is, it would give some cause for optimism.

Italy had 475 deaths from covid, today. If the virus had never showed up, they’d have had about 1600 deaths, the same as tomorrow and every day of 2020. The question is, did they have 2075 today and, if so, will they have less than 1600 a day for a few weeks/months once the virus is gone?

Que

 

[west didsblue]

Italian demographic is massively different to ours. Italy's population is 3rd-5th oldest in the world; ours 41st-45th. So, about as far away as "identical statistics" as you could wish.

I was comparing rates of infection growth and rates of increase of fatalities. Italy’s from a fortnight ago are the same as ours now.

It’s true that they have an older average age however the over 60s population is not dissimilar as we have a larger overall population.

Having just checked, Italy have 13 million over 65s compared to 12 million here.

 

[kaz7]

Weeks and weeks notice .... they've well and truly fucked this up

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...navirus-explosion/ar-BB11py4w?ocid=spartandhp


Doctors have complained for weeks that the government has not tested other health care workers for the virus, instructing them to isolate themselves if they showed symptoms like cough or fever.

That absence of testing has led to prolonged absences by doctors and nurses who came down with unrelated colds or fevers. Worse still, it may have allowed undiagnosed patients to infect hospital workers or undiagnosed medical workers to infect patients.

“If you haven’t got priority health care testing for patients and health care workers, you don’t know, do you?” Dr. Vaughan said. “We really hope the government ramps up priority testing as soon as possible.”

Mr. Johnson said this week that Britain would begin testing health care workers. On Tuesday, the government said it would also provide hotel rooms to doctors and nurses who would otherwise be forced to self-isolate for 14 days because a family member at home had symptoms of the virus.

But widespread testing has not yet begun, and the health service has yet to set out the criteria or procedures.

Every day for a least 2 weeks they have banged on about testing and yet theyo haven't been testing front line staff,they lost control of this with the stupid herd immunity idea at the start,i don't beleive they have any control on this situation

 

[goalmole]

Great to see some people have the whole thing in perspective:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...astrophe-for-students-or-a-golden-opportunity

"On Wednesday night, I witnessed my daughter and her friends experiencing something akin to a bereavement. They will not be able to go through the ordinary rites of passage associated with the end of one’s schooling. Instead, they will be self-isolating for a lengthy period, with nothing to do"

What. A. Fucking. Shame.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/pregnant-yorkshire-mums-fury-after-17939419

 

[bluethrunthru]

Every day for a least 2 weeks they have banged on about testing and yet theyo haven't been testing front line staff,they lost control of this with the stupid herd immunity idea at the start,i don't beleive they have any control on this situation

when we hit the peak infection rate as a result of this we will have the minimum qualified staff available.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Claire Fox on Sky News commenting on new suppliers of ventilators and possible vaccines........" get rid of red tape - we need to circumvent the elite and just get on with things"

Medical equipment and medicines launched on the populace without proper testing and trials in the middle of a pandemic......why not? I mean what could go wrong? Stupid populist fucking cow

Thalidomide was first marketed as an anti-flu drug and that ended up being a roaring success. Gormless woman....

 

[kaz7]

when we hit the peak infection rate as a result of this we will have the minimum qualified staff available.

I am afraid you are right,there has been a GP on telly all week who had symptoms but can't get tested to see if she is clear to go back to work but celebs and footballers are getting the test no problem

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

Stop watching after she said "authors are given information from our goverment"
Total codswallop!

 

[kaz7]

they have the £375 for the testing kit that it seems the govt don't

We should have already done a testing deal with somebody

 

[PragueBlue]

Stop watching after she said "authors are given information from our goverment"
Total codswallop!

Same here.

 

[domalino]

Why is the increase in testing, I believe it's being doubled, only starting now? Is that not a lack of foresight or investment by those in charge?

Why would you start ramping up testing only after non testing 'may have allowed undiagnosed patients to infect hospital workers or undiagnosed medical workers to infect patients.' - what is the point of that? The article also says ' But widespread testing has not yet begun, and the health service has yet to set out the criteria or procedures.' - are you also supportive of this?

The testing is ramping up as quickly as possible and has been increasing since the first press conference by the 3 talking heads. This isnt like a pregnancy test where you can make it in a factory and anyone with a bladder can operate it. Every single sample that is collected has to be tested by a lab technician and we dont have a massive surplus of those doing nothing, waiting for a pandemic to start working. They're being converted from research, from running other tests that we need from day to day on the NHS etc.

 

[Shaelumstash]

From the Times

‘Rishi Sunak expected to unveil huge package of wage subsidies and tax cuts tomorrow

Measures being weighted up in Treasury tonight include:

* Govt funding 60% of median wage for workers. PAYE reversal being mooted

* Cuts to employers NI and possibly even income tax’

Is there still fuck all for the self employed?

They urgently need to do something for leisure companies other than offering them loans.

Many bars and restaurants are staying open because they have absolutely no choice. It’s either continue to trade, or go out of business.

You can’t have a “avoid social gatherings” policy and expect bars, clubs and restaurants to foot the entire bill for it. A bar tender or a chef can’t work from home.

I appreciate there’s going to be some very difficult decisions all around, but unfortunately to stop people going out, you have to demand places of social gathering are closed. And if you demand they close, you have to help them financially so they don’t lose everything.

 

[kaz7]

Why has there been no outcry over this.
The government has been wilfully and criminally negligent, all the while hiding behind "the science".
Now we are told "the science has evolved". All in a week.
Has it fuck.
They realised that voices were beginning to be raised against it by prominent scientists and they'd been rumbled, so they did a U turn and started to do what they should have done over a month ago.
They need to be hauled over the coals for it.
It's a scandal.

You are not allowed to question it on here mate,you'll get a graph in your face

 

[domalino]

He also couldn’t answer what “be on top of it” means when asked later. We could have been on top of it with action when we had a head start, sadly diving in head first now

We're currently on the green line strategy so "On top of it" means past the peak and under the red line. He probably doesn't want to be drawn into a definitive answer because this thing is unpredictable and fast moving and he can't say things that can't be guaranteed.