COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[aguero93:20]

They need drones to spot people flouting the law then direct police there. Lots about!

Nah, drones a useless ****, best leave it to the professionals.

 

[SWP's back]

However we also have to accept that in reality the number of actual cass whilst unknown is probably vastly more than reported which brings the death rate down

That’s true. It’s also true that hundreds have the virus right now that will die of the virus but currently affect the CFR in a positive manner.

 

[Marvin]

I'm not trying to be divisive here, or even have a go at the government. This is just something that goes through my head all the time, and I'd honestly like to know a good answer if anyone has one. It's a sincere question.

The one thing I always struggle with in regards to this approach is why we didn't buy ourselves more time? We all know they're currently scraping around to get emergency supplies for the NHS, who seem really under-prepared for all of this. There has been plenty of talks about a lack of beds, needing more nurses and so on. The staff haven't even got the right uniforms.

This has lead to loads of companies diversifying and creating equipment who don't usually do so - we've got one company who usually make hoovers building ventilators, we've got people like brewdog making hand sanitiser, we've got another who usually make sportswear now making scrubs for nurses etc. There's loads of actions like this to catch up to the need of supplies.

What I can't quite understand is why didn't we go full lock down very early on to buy us the time to make all this stuff and get prepared as possible? I understand that the virus wouldn't have gone away, but it would have slowed down immeasurably if only critical workers were out doing their jobs. We would have then surely bought 3/4 weeks to get prepared, and then we could have started slowly sending some people back to work, almost drip feeding the virus to the populace if necessary, and then helping those who picked it up. We'd be ready and able, with more knowledge of how to treat it too. Crucially too, we could 'turn off the tap' at any point if it felt dangerous.

If we're gonna get a peak either way, why does it have to be sooner rather than later. Lots of people keep saying 'ahh but the problem is China will get a second wave', but they're surely better prepared for another, and given we knew what was coming, couldn't we have avoided that first wave by taking drastic measures, and then delayed that peak to later in the year so we were more prepared? Is that really a bad thing? If the peak has to happen, you'd surely rather it happen a while away to get prepared for it? If we had delayed it, we'd have better equipment, a better understanding from the world's leading scientists in other countries on how to deal with this virus, and maybe even have antibody tests ready.

I don't understand why we didn't quickly lock down, get prepared, and then start slowly dealing with it and trying to gradually build this herd immunity approach. Am I missing something here? It's a sincere question.

There was a debate which was revealed about a fortnight ago between those who wanted to mitigate the effects of the virus, and those who wanted to suppress it.

Thoe who wanted to mediate it don't think it can be beaten down, partly because they think it will bounce back, and that the only way to stop it is to acquire immunity in the population. their aim is to protect the health service from a surge of cases and so reduce deaths and to shield the most vulnerable. Their aim is to get the virus transmission rate to just above 1 (each infected person, infects on average one person) where the epidemic accelerates slowly and the peak is flattened.

Suppression calls for much more aggressive action and aims to almost wipe the virus out in the interim before finishing it off with a vaccine.

The government strategy is gradualistic. Draw your conclusions as to their strategy.

It is shocking and hard to accept but what other explanation is there. We've seen from a number of countries now that testing combined with isolation will send it into reverse.

 

[antspider]

Police can fine £30 for congregating however the tree surgeons two of my boys work for actively encourage at least three and up to five workers to bunch up in a van .. Told to like it or lump it.. “sign yourselves off sick if you don’t like it”. Unbelievable... Three out of 20 workers have stayed away, my boys included ....

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Well if it's complete bollocks it makes you wonder why NHS staff are being asked to hide their IDs when leaving work

Because 2 members of staff have been mugged for their phones and so it makes total sense to pass on advice to conceal other things that may attract thieves. However, nowhere does it say anywhere that NHS staff have been mugged for their ID cards as people are wrongly suggesting and spreading.

 

[SWP's back]

Police can fine £30 for congregating however the tree surgeons two of my boys work for actively encourage at least three and up to five workers to bunch up in a van .. Told to like it or lump it.. “sign yourselves off sick if you don’t like it”. Unbelievable... Three out of 20 workers have stayed away, my boys included ....

What would you have him do?

Have you seen the Tube this morning?

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

We're industrial for trade waste,and had 84 wagons through the gate so far today,coming from as far north as Aberdeen.

As far as I am aware commercial waste is still to be collected and domestic bins as normal as can be dependent on areas

Trafford for instance not collecting green waste abut Manchester collecting green waste fortnightly

General waste the main concern and all councils prioritising this which is 100% correct

If tips/disposal sites open then those who could use would surely free up councils to prioritise vulnerable who could not

But then everyone going to tips would defeat restricted measures put in place

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Finished work(hopefully working from home now) and on the tram going through the city centre. It's an absolute ghost town. Very unnerving but thats a good thing

 

[Coatigan]

Of course you're not. The public pressure by media and majority of people. If they were putting pressure on public, they wouldn't beg them, they would order. I stopped looking what politicians are talking long time ago, it's what they are doing. In this case, they introduced half-arsed lockdown with numerous loopholes in it. It's still better than what was before, of course, but it's half-arsed anyway and there could be absolutely same scenes from all those beaches we watched during weekend with these new rules. It's my first exercise and that's it. Tubes and buses - everyone up others mouth. The single big thing they did was closing the pubs, but if you don't think they've done that only after huge public pressure, then you're blind and probably politically biased.

They've promised great stuff for economy and financial well being though. I'm jealous on you Brits for that part.

Not politically biased, or at least certainly not towards this government/party. Not sure what the take on the uk is abroad, or the coverage, but there has not been that much pressure from the media calling for a lockdown. Comments in the social media, maybe some key nhs staff, a touch more by nicola, but nowhere near the levels the uk media is capable of.

Half arsed, maybe, not arguing that the extent is less than elsewhere. Whether however we will see more social distancing, thats up to the public, to do their bit. The rights or wrongs and practicalities, of 'ordering' the public, or going into 'full' lockdown sooner, are up for debate, time will tell. I simply try do my part and acknowledge a bigger picture, in an ever changing beast of a situation.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Further to Sports Direct intention to ignore the ban Sky reporting that they were hiking prices in store last night.
Here’s what Sky said:


“Sports Direct has hiked prices of some sports equipment, including skipping ropes, weights and resistance belts, by more than 50% in some cases on Tuesday, according to documents seen by the PA news agency.

One manager has contacted Sky News to say: "It's absolutely profiteering from this situation.

"Things like dartboards, yoga mats, basketball hoops, fitness equipment were all due to increase this morning.

"All things that people who are stuck at home may have a use for.

"It's rare for us to increase so many products in one go."

Each and everyone should boycott Sports direct the way The Geordies do

Ashley is a fucking crook

 

[TonyM]

Absolutely pathetic sum of money to fine them.

They should take the person's phone.

 

[grunge]

The problem is that although we know how many deaths have occurred we have no idea of how many people actually have the virus other than those tested. If we accept only 6k+ cases in the UK then the death rate is high. However we also have to accept that in reality the number of actual cass whilst unknown is probably vastly more than reported which brings the death rate down. Do you only think that less than 1% of the Chinese population caught the virus?

The WHO certainly do think that.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china

"In Guangdong province, for example, there were 320,000 tests done in people coming to fever clinics, outpatient clinics. And at the peak of the outbreak, 0.47 percent of those tests were positive. People keep saying [the cases are the] tip of the iceberg. But we couldn’t find that."

 

[paulchapo]

There was a debate which was revealed about a fortnight ago between those who wanted to mitigate the effects of the virus, and those who wanted to suppress it.

Thoe who wanted to mediate it don't think it can be beaten down, partly because they think it will bounce back, and that the only way to stop it is to acquire immunity in the population. their aim is to protect the health service from a surge of cases and so reduce deaths and to shield the most vulnerable. Their aim is to get the virus transmission rate to just above 1 (each infected person, infects on average one person) where the epidemic accelerates slowly and the peak is flattened.

Suppression calls for much more aggressive action and aims to almost wipe the virus out in the interim before finishing it off with a vaccine.

The government strategy is gradualistic. Draw your conclusions as to their strategy.

It is shocking and hard to accept but what other explanation is there. We've seen from a number of countries now that testing combined with isolation will send it into reverse.

Isolation and lockdown is fine but what happens once everyone is out again? Surely it will start to rise again? Every man, woman and child needs locking down, properly locked down and then tested. After a vaccine surely this is the most important thing. How many weeks notice did we get this was heading our way? The government should have put every resource into getting the right equipment to front line workers, sorting out the production of more ventilators,producing test kits, preparing supermarkets to be ready as they knew people would panic buy. It seems we sat on our hands and just talked a load of waffle with little action until it was upon us.

 

[kaz7]

Coronavirus: Amputee's wife makes him wooden leg after COVID-19 crisis delays treatment
"I desperately do not want to divert anybody in the NHS away from anything more important," said the 46-year-old amputee.

Tuesday 24 March 2020 15:04, UK

• COVID-19
• CORONAVIRUS

Image:A fall in 2018 left the father-of-three with a severe broken leg
Why you can trust Sky News
The delay to non-urgent surgeries caused by the coronavirus crisis hasn't dented the hopes of one couple to find a solution.

The wife of an amputee used her imagination and skills to fashion a prosthetic leg for her husband from household items.

Atchari Watson and her husband Steve, from County Durham, said they faced a wait of months if they wanted to go ahead with an NHS prosthetic.

On her first attempt, the 46-year-old used a seaside bucket, fibreglass resin and a piece of wood - but Mr Watson said it kept sliding off.

But a second try with part of a moon boot and some wood from the shed solved the problem and allowed him to walk around their house.

Mr Watson, a teaching assistant who was in the Army, said: "My wife is very practical. She can turn her hand to anything.

"At first when I saw her rummaging around in the shed I thought she was going to do the garden

I love problem solving

 

[SWP's back]

and my quote from the WHO about definitions and my quote from the very same JAMA paper?
stop your dickhead crusade mate it's very unbecoming.

“Your quotes”. You didn’t quote anything. You posted a link.

And fuck off with the name calling. You’ve played this down since the very start and you’re still doing so now. Do you still believe this is nothing but flu and the world’s gone mad? Presumably you believe you’re the only sane one and Government’s are bringing on recessions for the fun of it?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Coronavirus: Amputee's wife makes him wooden leg after COVID-19 crisis delays treatment
"I desperately do not want to divert anybody in the NHS away from anything more important," said the 46-year-old amputee.

Tuesday 24 March 2020 15:04, UK

• COVID-19
• CORONAVIRUS

Image:A fall in 2018 left the father-of-three with a severe broken leg
Why you can trust Sky News
The delay to non-urgent surgeries caused by the coronavirus crisis hasn't dented the hopes of one couple to find a solution.

The wife of an amputee used her imagination and skills to fashion a prosthetic leg for her husband from household items.

Atchari Watson and her husband Steve, from County Durham, said they faced a wait of months if they wanted to go ahead with an NHS prosthetic.

On her first attempt, the 46-year-old used a seaside bucket, fibreglass resin and a piece of wood - but Mr Watson said it kept sliding off.

But a second try with part of a moon boot and some wood from the shed solved the problem and allowed him to walk around their house.

Mr Watson, a teaching assistant who was in the Army, said: "My wife is very practical. She can turn her hand to anything.

"At first when I saw her rummaging around in the shed I thought she was going to do the garden

I love problem solving

How I wish my wife was that handy.
My life would be so much easier.

 

[55yr old teenager]

Has anyone else had a text to stay in?

Yes just now. It's just so confirming what was said last night

 

[domalino]

That makes some sense,i really need the immunity question answered though,temporary or lifelong or can i get it again

Unfortunately I dont think anyone can answer that with cettainty for 10+ years.

I think in a few weeks we will know much more about the "reinfected" people in china and as the number of cases hits the millions they will become statistically irrelevant or maybe it'll be a real thing.

 

[Marvin]

According to Sadiq Khan, in the Cobra meeting yesterday, Boris Johnson argued for construction workers to keep working.

Therefore yesterday's announcement was not a government lockdown that was wilfully misinterpreted by individuals and business. It was not a lockdown.

I'm glad that Manchester is quiet but London at rush hour still have evident problems and hidden away from view there's still a lot of people doing non-essential jobs. And everyone knows that as a result of that suppression of the virus is only partial.

 

[grunge]

Just been reading that Iran has tested 38 million people. This may explain why they were the big story a few short weeks ago but are now trailing behind Italy and Spain.

Following the testing, 74,000 people were sent to health centres, 8,000 were hospitalised, of whom 3,000 required intensive care.

This does beg the question how a country reeling from economic sanctions can get it's act together when more prosperous countries can't.

38 million? no chance.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

as of the 9th March the global totals of tests were about 700k


there is no way Iran did this, if they are saying it, its propaganda.