Democrat US Presidential Nominations

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cjn said:
I almost dropped dead when I read this. The irony. It's too much to bear. Practically overwhelmed the system!
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I think it's you that misses the irony. At this point, the GOP base is advocating for policies more left than the current Dem stance. If it turns out to be popular and the voter likes and trust the GOP on it, why would they return to Biden's policies where paying for your medicare would be the same as the GOP?

The only way to beat the GOP offer would be literally to adopt Sanders' policy!!

I mean here's a guy who
  • Voted for Iraq War
  • Stood against Anita Hill
  • Stood against Roe v Wade
  • Called bussing and Affirmative Action ‘racist’ policies
  • Voting for the Defense of Marriage Act (before going the other way)
  • Told Millennials to ‘give him a break’ because his generation had it worse (news flash Millennials are a growing portion of the Democratic base)
  • Saying progressives are too hard on billionaires
  • Saying proudly that a paper said he wanted to make all crimes come with the death penalty except jaywalking
  • Vote for the 1994 Crime Bill wanting to be tough on crime
  • The vote to repeal Glass-Steagall which was a key factor in the Economic Recession
  • His launch event was with a Comcast and Blue Cross Executive, not with working Americans
  • He drafted the predecessor to the Patriot Act, then voted for the Patriot Act
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I agree with this point:

"Biden could beat Trump which means 4–8 years of ‘nice’ politics in the US… but in actuality the American people will not benefit, it will worsen the divide in this nation, and likely lead to the rise of some true populist movements, perhaps real Fascists and real Socialists will start rising up and gaining support. At best the Supreme Court is kept moderate but people will start being driven to more insane politics".

The 'nice' politics where you get to 'ignore the president' does not and will not move the US citizen to a better place and it's something I've been saying for ages. At this point, its like the door being forced against by a few people and when other people realise, actually this bullshit, they will join the push or force another entry to what represents them.

And what you don't want is the joining of the curve where people have enough common ground to work with.

The Hill's 'Rising' co-hosts are a good place to understand where that common ground is.
 
Bigga said:
I think it's you that misses the irony.
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You're right, I must've imagined all of these Bernie proposals. Literally his entire platform is free stuff that will never get through Congress.

This is the free stuff we're all gonna get per the two minutes I just spent on his issues page (https://berniesanders.com/issues/):
  • Medicare for all - free dental, hearing, vision, home and community-based long-term care, in-patient and out-patient services, mental health and substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, and prescription drugs. All with no premiums, no deductibles and no copays
  • Free college for everyone
  • All student loans will be cancelled
  • Expanded social security benefits for seniors
  • 10 million permanently affordable housing units at a cost of $2.5 trillion + $70 billion for public housing
  • Free child care for all
  • Free pre-k for all
  • We're going to wipe away everyone's pre existing medical debt
  • Free high speed internet for everyone!
  • Anyone who wants a federal job will be guaranteed one
 
cjn said:
You're right, I must've imagined all of these Bernie proposals. Literally his entire platform is free stuff that will never get through Congress.

This is the free stuff we're all gonna get per the two minutes I just spent on his issues page (https://berniesanders.com/issues/):
  • Medicare for all - free dental, hearing, vision, home and community-based long-term care, in-patient and out-patient services, mental health and substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, and prescription drugs. All with no premiums, no deductibles and no copays *1
  • Free college for everyone *2
  • All student loans will be cancelled *3
  • Expanded social security benefits for seniors *4
  • 10 million permanently affordable housing units at a cost of $2.5 trillion + $70 billion for public housing
  • Free child care for all *5
  • Free pre-k for all *6
  • We're going to wipe away everyone's pre existing medical debt *7
  • Free high speed internet for everyone! *8
  • Anyone who wants a federal job will be guaranteed one
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First of all, "nothing is free".

You will be paying for it in taxes. Like for COVID-19, you're not exactly asking how it's going to be paid for...

*1 M4A is being discussed NOW, just in a variant form! So, tell me, if you're accessing doctors across state lines, not going to pay for any copay, premium or deductible during this pandemic because it's going to be paid for by the 1% and big corp in taxes, are you going to want to go back to having selective doctors in state lines and shelling out your previous costings? The only thing you'd pay for is a slightly higher tax rate as your contribution.

*2, *3, *4, *5 and *6 are planned under the same system of payment, except Wall St would get involved too. I expect a little quantitative easing as it will now to pay for COVID-19.

*2 and *7 would be under control of a progressive[-ish] gov, so debt forgiveness would be debt forgiveness.

*8 would be gov wifi in competition with private business i.e., affordable, leading to... federal jobs?

The unmarked housing would be something you'd trust proceeding govs to enact upon as a commitment to the people. Can't be done in one or two tenures.

The unmarked jobs bit would be down to work on the Green New Deal and infrastructure.

Basically Americans put in a pot to help build and make American life experience better.

Don't think its difficult to understand and it should be something you would WANT to happen.
 
Bigga said:
There are times he looks like he doesn't know where he is!!

It can be quite jarring comparing him to his opponents!
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I was all for Bernie dropping out. But I'm beginning to think Bernie's folks are thinking what I'm thinking. He can't keep it together till November. So they are going to stay in untill he earns every delegate.

No attack ads. Just sitting right, and waiting in case this goes south. I can't blame them.

Either way, this is a travesty at best :(
 
Dax777 said:
I was all for Bernie dropping out. But I'm beginning to think Bernie's folks are thinking what I'm thinking. He can't keep it together till November. So they are going to stay in untill he earns every delegate.

No attack ads. Just sitting right, and waiting in case this goes south. I can't blame them.

Either way, this is a travesty at best :(
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Well, no attack ads are needed just looking at the bewildering live addresses Biden has made!!

Dollar short and a week too late with his messaging AND empty platitudes to boot!

Dam straight he should stay in! He's the only one showing any leadership and direction.

That's not even in doubt!
 
Bigga said:
Well, no attack ads are needed just looking at the bewildering live addresses Biden has made!!

Dollar short and a week too late with his messaging AND empty platitudes to boot!

Dam straight he should stay in! He's the only one showing any leadership and direction.

That's not even in doubt!
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Whoever's idea it was to do a live stream.... What's wrong with these people. They should have just recorded the best version they could cobble together.
 
andyhinch said:
It’s more of a void I’d say ;-)
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