COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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oldhamblue said:
If a postman has it, will he/she not be passing it on to everyone who opens a letter he/she delivered?
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You should be washing your hands immediately after handling any delivery, be it a parcel or letter. And do not touch your face at all. If you take those precautions and do it strictly, you should be fine even if the postman/delivery driver has the virus and you kept 2m away.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
so much Uninformed bollocks in this, it beggars belief.
B,C,D and F are total crap that just do not stand up to scrutiny.
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I forgot to mention the lack of testing, but B-D and F are very important so do tell me why Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore are doing so well then? I'm intrigued. It's not just testing
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
yet every day another company says they can make and supply ventilators from formula 1 teams to Gtec . I would like to see this great publicity being shown to be utilised on the frontline, that may calm people fears about ventilators
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Yes, but how long does it take? I mean months is a short timeframe to get a new manufacturing line set up. But in COVID-19 land, the numbers are ramping daily. Having (say) double or treble the capacity in 2 or 3 months is a fat lot of use. Hopefully we can ramp up capacity much sooner. Some London hospitals are teetering on the edge already, I gather.
 
paulchapo said:
The Spanish figure is worrying as they are operating a much stricter lockdown than here and have been for some time but it is going up and up.
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This is what I fear for the UK.

On a side note just had a package arrive I usually have to sign and show passport but he just threw it over the gate shouted adios and fucked off on his scooter.... had to laugh
 
Ban-jani said:
Here’s the timeline

- Girl A has house drinks with 8 other people 13th of March, our friends Couple B attend

- We see Couple B but don’t touch them, shake hands etc. on Saturday 21st 8 days later

- Girl A tested positive and was in hospital last weekend 20th-22nd

- Couple B, our friends show symptoms yesterday 24th of March

- Girl A tells them she’s tested positive.

- No one else at Girl A’s house party group show symptoms at all.

- Couple B have still be going to work and seeing family etc. so there’s a chance they’ve caught in the meantime.

- We’re only 2 days away from that 14 day window of not showing symptoms.
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Like some question from "Ask the Family"!!
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Chippy_boy said:
Yes, but how long does it take? I mean months is a short timeframe to get a new manufacturing line set up. But in COVID-19 land, the numbers are ramping daily. Having (say) double or treble the capacity in 2 or 3 months is a fat lot of use. Hopefully we can ramp up capacity much sooner. Some London hospitals are teetering on the edge already, I gather.
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Was reading something about a family engineering firm in Wales which created a ventilator in 3 days and is now pumping out 100 a day. Will see if I can find it.
 
paulchapo said:
The Spanish figure is worrying as they are operating a much stricter lockdown than here and have been for some time but it is going up and up.
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What is going up and up? What does that mean? Watch the new cases. That is the best guide the general public has and it's not a very good guide because testing rates change. We can probably assume that in the height of the epidemic a country will not have the resources for a testing campaign so it should be a reliable day to check. What is the new case trend doing in Spain? That is a guide as to whether it's peaking.

Beware a regional aspect to these epidemics. We keep thinking back to China as the example but that was one City. In the USA they have state wide epidemics at different stages of development. We may have the same in the UK, and Italy and Spain probably have a regional aspect which may give rise to double peaks in the national data i.e. as one city like Madrid declines an area like Catalonia may peak.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
You should be washing your hands immediately after handling any delivery, be it a parcel or letter. And do not touch your face at all. If you take those precautions and do it strictly, you should be fine even if the postman/delivery driver has the virus and you kept 2m away.
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And if you can help it, don't touch the post for a few days, after which time it will be virus-free for sure. It's only bills anyway.
 
Pablo1 said:
That sentence makes me feel sad, mate. The thought that people would riot instead of trying to do their bit to halt a worldwide catastrophe tells you exactly where we are in terms of mankind's development. It makes me sad because you are entirely correct.
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Unfortunately that is the society we have developed.
I’ve seen it in schools for years. A small number of children who disrespect all kinds of authority and their parents sometimes back them to the hilt.
Fortunately they are in the minority, but not enough of a minority to ignore.
The police will have their hands full, and we don’t have the likes of a civil guard. It will have to be the army on the streets.
 
karen7 said:
A total of 3,434 coronavirus patients have now have died in Spain - more than the recorded number of deaths in China where the outbreak began.

Spain now has the world's second-highest tally of COVID-19 deaths after 738 more were reported on Wednesday, the country's deadliest toll in one day.

With 3,434 coronavirus patients dead, Spain surpassed China's toll of 3,285.

Infections in Spain rose 20% from a day earlier to 47,610
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These are sad figures but amongst the alarm, it should be pointed out that the number of new cases reported from Spain today was significantly down on those of the previous two days. Pray it continues and that there is some respite for the system.
 
My neighbour had the scaffolding done front and back, heard him askin the three builders to start on the front as his family are coming round coz there kids are bored.
Just looked out the back he’s got a bbq going and there is four 20/30 yr olds, 4 kids his brother and wife and himself and his wife. That’s 15 fuckin people on in and around his garden, if I had a hand grenade, I’d chuck it over the fuckin fence.
 
Far UV is a germ and virus killer.

Abstract from Welch et al. (2018). Nature.

Airborne-mediated microbial diseases such as influenza and tuberculosis represent major public health challenges. A direct approach to prevent airborne transmission is inactivation of airborne pathogens, and the airborne antimicrobial potential of UVC ultraviolet light has long been established; however, its widespread use in public settings is limited because conventional UVC light sources are both carcinogenic and cataractogenic. By contrast, we have previously shown that far-UVC light (207–222 nm) efficiently inactivates bacteria without harm to exposed mammalian skin. This is because, due to its strong absorbance in biological materials, far-UVC light cannot penetrate even the outer (non living) layers of human skin or eye; however, because bacteria and viruses are of micrometer or smaller dimensions, far-UVC can penetrate and inactivate them. We show for the first time that far-UVC efficiently inactivates airborne aerosolized viruses, with a very low dose of 2 mJ/cm2 of 222-nm light inactivating >95% of aerosolized H1N1 influenza virus. Continuous very low dose-rate far-UVC light in indoor public locations is a promising, safe and inexpensive tool to reduce the spread of airborne-mediated microbial diseases.
 
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