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You don't have a clue if it's helping though.

Do you know who does? The people with all the figures about testing numbers, hospitalisations, ICU bed capacity etc.
What has t he last bit got to do with the prediction on death rates? That is about capacity,i dont think it helps telling the public wildly different death prediction figures,so far they are only testing mostly hospital admissions,the rates of infections in the rest of the population and deaths rates not recorded as the virus could be any number
 
It's really hard to tell given how many people have been very, very ill at home but still recovered without ever being tested. Seems only the most extreme cases are getting tested.

The acceleration in the death rate is also horrendous. I had hoped yesterday's figures were a blip. Now I am hoping today's are as well. Carry on accelerating like this and it would be carnage.
We simply don't know enough to make a proper factual judgement.
We know people are only tested in the UK if they require medical intervention due to various criteria - but mainly if you are pretty sick. We do not know how many of these are admitted to hospital though.
We do know that in Wuhan 20% of those admitted to hospital died and this figure is lower in Korea and Japan but still 15%.
Go back 3 weeks in new cases (and on average) it takes 21 days to die elsewhere in the world (from becoming ill), then and we're looking at 30-40% of new cases dying - not those hospitalised!!! But if the figures are this bad with proficient ICU care, goodness knows how bad they will be when we become really stretched.
Of course if patients are dying quicker in the UK due to age/underlying health conditions, then any sort of comparative figures are totally screwed.
Basically we dont know enough Information.
 
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Stay safe BB and all the best for your family.It truly must be so worrying for people like yourself with such a very limited amount of ventilators are available.
Oakie.

He’ll be able to use yours you won’t last long:)

Joking m8 you’ll come into a high category so take all precautions available
 
Still a fair few repatriation flights I think plus cargo.
Still, does seem like a lot doesn’t it.
I'd like to see a comparison with the States. It certainly looks a lot more crowded over the USA but a lot are private jets.
 
It's really frightening that there are already restrictions on ventilators in relation to age in the UK
Italy have send us open letters from the start,they have begged us to change course,they said we would be them if we didn't,they have been taking ventilators off the older ones to give to the younger ones,a priest gave his to a young patient to save his life,he died god bless him
 
This next week is going to be awful the figures are going to rocket and alot of us will probably end up knowing someone who dies from this.
 
It saddens and angers me when I keep reading this stuff coming out of the UK and find it really hard to even try and explain it my 14 year old who follows the Uk and Portuguese rolling news on this. I genuinely don’t even know where to begin with the explanation of this behaviour - there just isn’t any comparables I can show him and I’ve been here for 15 years and 32 years in UK -


A 14-year-old boy has been charged after a 66-year-old woman was coughed on and spat at in Tameside, Greater Manchester.

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has been charged with one count of section 39 assault and will appear at Tameside youth ourt on April 7, Greater Manchester police said.

Officers were called just before 8.30pm on 17 March to a report that a boy had been coughing and shouting “coronavirus” at a woman in Ashton-under-Lyne town centre.
 
There is over 1, billion people in China and under 4,000 deaths from corona virus don’t care how many doors they’ve welded anyone who believes them figures is deluded
 
I know what he was saying. That's why he's an idiot.

It's like war. War reduces death. All the people killed in war were going to die anyway, and there are millions fewer left to create another generation.

In this case, it's obvious that most people dying from it would not be dying now from other causes so may be losing years of active life (or years of burden on the NHS and pensions).

I don't think that's obvious at all. On average 1,600 people a day die in the UK. I would imagine there is quite a bit of overlap.

It would be interesting to see just how much deaths have gone up overall compared to equivalent days over the last few years.
 
This is exactly the pandemic that the experts have been predicting for years.

The WHO said a new coronavirus pandemic was the world's biggest disease risk since the Ebola outbreak ended in 2016.

John Hopkins University did a war game predicting an almost identical pandemic flu 3 months ago.

Bill Gates did a TED talk watched by 20,000,000 people predicting a pandemic flu just like this.

This hasn't taken any epidemiologists by surprise.

It’s one thing predicting it will happen; quite another to predict how it ends.
 
This is exactly the pandemic that the experts have been predicting for years.

The WHO said a new coronavirus pandemic was the world's biggest disease risk since the Ebola outbreak ended in 2016.

John Hopkins University did a war game predicting an almost identical pandemic flu 3 months ago.

This hasn't taken any epidemiologists by surprise.
No, but vital details of the pathology of this virus are not known. And the extent of the spread of the disease is largely unknown. The effectiveness of the counter acting measures is hypothetical.

We are in the realm of projection, best guesses, damage limitation, avoiding worst outcomes, balancing the possible health outcomes that come with severe recession and / or social unrest.

We're worried about how bad it will become. We have an idea from ages back. It could hospitalise 1% of people who catch it. Now tell me how many people are catching it? Nowhere near enough testing is being done to know that. Thus the tasks are relatively simple. We need the most number of prepared beds, ventilators, and staff available. They need testing urgently. Then the wider population people needs testing.

The Govt needs to stop saying anything apart from the same simple message. Isolate and distance in every way possible, or you may catch it and end up on a ventilator, and after four weeks, we'd probably know you were dead. Also, bear in mind that if you avoid the ICU, many many people could die.

It needs to show clear messaging and to show in very plain sight that it is stopping at nothing to ensure the delivery of equipment and resources.

Hitherto, we've been molliecoddled and pleaded with by a sick, obese man with a floppy fringe who didn't follow his own social distancing rules.

Keep him off camera, and deliver the real prognosis (we don't know, so we act to reduce as much harm as possible). And the real treatment - there's no point worrying about numbers and measures - worry about what you are doing. In my view that won't be accepted widely until the govt stops sending out changing strategies, changing forecasts, disorganised and conflicting messages, missing targets, appearing to act in a generally disorganised manner. Boris and co are chummy sorts - this is just not the time for that. Brexit was a validation for people's feelings and beliefs, and he was good at that. Brexit arguments were often 'what's the worse that could happen?' and referred to doomsayers. This is the dichotomy that the public will deal with. Kidding themselves it's ok, or plunging into despair. It's totally unsuitable for the current situation. You don't make things better by worrying about your illness or treatment. Any good doctor knows that, and will not let it happen. They know you are out of your depth and wasting your time. They put on a front, say very little, and push you out the door telling you not to let it happen again. And we trust them because they are so good at it, and so much more informed and decisive than we are. That's the govt style that is required now. Your feelings, fears, projections and all of that are not at all relevant when it comes to this virus. To do that, they have to smarten up, stop wasting time, stop leaving themselves open to criticism, and act fast and decisively.
 
Just a projection Karen, these are smart people who know what they’re doing.

But UCL this week also projected possibly up to 35000.

Plenty of university studies sare coming up with different figures so that not one can be claimed as correct.

Reporting in these from different media is causing confusion and false hope in some cases.
 
Italy have send us open letters from the start,they have begged us to change course,they said we would be them if we didn't,they have been taking ventilators off the older ones to give to the younger ones,a priest gave his to a young patient to save his life,he died god bless him

Apparently the story about the priest wasn't true..
 
But UCL this week also projected possibly up to 35000.

Plenty of university studies sare coming up with different figures so that not one can be claimed as correct.

Reporting in these from different media is causing confusion and false hope in some cases.
Exactly. It's not helping. It doesn't even fucking matter. People have to learn to accept we just don't know, and focus on staying healthy in mind and body.
 
Agreed. Although 5,700 is absolutely dreaming. We've got 12 months to go yet, at least, before no-one needs to die of this damned thing.

Don't want to like your post for obvious reasons, but agree with what you posted. There isn't a quick fix and too many people will lose their lives, this will devastate families and communities for too long.

Businesses come and go, people shouldn't.......
 
There is over 1, billion people in China and under 4,000 deaths from corona virus don’t care how many doors they’ve welded anyone who believes them figures is deluded
How come everyone else is so far following their epidemic track?

The only data that looks 'out' is Iran.
 
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