COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[SilverFox2]

They don't need units, they need to stay at home.

Exactly D.

 

[George Hannah]

So what you're saying is our government ( and plenty of others ) just gave up instead of taking the strong measures others have and that the WHO are pleading for.

Only takes 1 or 2 reasonably large countries though to take this from a containable situation into the clusterfuck we're in now.

If every country had stamped on this hard and fast like China/Korea then we could have contained it.

There is no evidence China and Korea have contained it yet - let's hope the UK scientists are wrong and there are no further severe outbreaks in those countries. We have certainly not given up and no measures have been ruled out. Like all previous ones, this virus will run its course and spread until levels of immunity stop it or there is a vaccine. We'll have to wait a while to see what was the most effective strategy.

 

[goalmole]

Correct, there is a scientific consensus about most but not all aspects of the pandemic and we are all entitled to our opinion. As a non-expert mine is we should follow the best advice available from those who are - in a multidisciplinary context - as the government is doing.

I don't trust their motives and priorities.

 

[jimharri]

If you not dead then it wasn't :)

If he is dead, that's fantastic typing!

 

[Chippy_boy]

We have to realise that the government has other compulsions than solely the health of the population. They will have one eye on the effect on the economy etc. They will of course dress it up to sound like our welfare is the priority but I think they will be looking at it in a more holistic way, which may or may not be the right thing for the country as a whole in the long run but in the short term it may be devastating to the population.

Absolutely correct.

What people who keep saying "trust the advice of the scientists" fail to grasp is that these are political decisions more than scientific ones. If you asked scientists right now, what was the best way to limit deaths from COVID-19 to an absolute minimum, then surely the answer would be to shut all non-essential services down immediately and send everyone home. Patrol the streets with troops and keep everyone apart from those involved in food production and distribution (and one or two other essential activities) shut in. Job done.

But obviously the political answer is we cannot simply do that. So immediately you are not acting solely on scientific advice. Practical and economic considerations have to come into it. The scientists produce models to suggest the most appropriate actions given certain constraints. And the politicians consider the recommendations and the pros and cons and make a political decision as to the best overall course. You can simply say "it's the Chief Medical Officer's" recommendation.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Correct.

Though Lad Bible did an interview with a person called Connor Reed, who was the first Brit to contract the virus in Wuhan and he stated he was sick with it back in November.

Whilst what he describes the illness being like is pretty brutal, I do feel it probably indicates that this has been around since late October/early November.

If the first reported case from China was 31st December I expect this to have certainly been around from a month to six weeks earlier. And it will have been more widespread than Wuhan too.

 

[grunge]

There is no evidence China and Korea have contained it yet - let's hope the UK scientists are wrong and there are no further severe outbreaks in those countries. We have certainly not given up and no measures have been ruled out. Like all previous ones, this virus will run its course and spread until levels of immunity stop it or there is a vaccine. We'll have to wait a while to see what was the most effective strategy.

We have given up attempted to contain it. thats what moving to delay phase meant. to be honest I dont think we tried very hard at all to contain it.

and the WHO are saying China has contained it thats for sure, they are using China as the blue print on how to contain it and even delayed calling it a pandemic as China proved it was containable..

the fact that we, and other countries failed to contain it opens them up to contamination from outside though.

 

[Shaelumstash]

What's your problem with believing this country's top medical and scientific experts? What is it you think they are lying about?

Mate I think your posts on herd immunity are well intentioned and you clearly understand the logic behind the theory.

But the Health Secretary Matt Hancock said yesterday that herd immunity was not the official government strategy.

The WHO and wider scientific community were alarmed at the noises that it was an official position.

Until someone from the UK government comes out and explicitly says it is, I don’t think it’s helpful to be spreading it (pun intended).

I’d encourage you to read this article from Matt Hanage who researches and teaches the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard’s Chan School of Public Health.

He’s more qualified than any of us to pass comment. His initial reaction when he heard the UK government’s position was herd immunity is that he thought it was satire.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...st-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

 

[somapop]

All the family had that horrific coughing flu over Christmas. Non stop coughing for nigh on 2 weeks. I hadn't been ill for so long (I put it down to a heavy exercise routine) but yesterday I once again came down with feeling awful. Last night I had shiver, stomach pains, sickness and muscle aches...haven't felt to rough for some time. No respiratory issues however. Perhaps it's the anxiety over all this manifesting into an illness (felt like food poisoning tbf).

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? The experts you seem to trust implicitly (specifically Patrick Vallance) said on Thursday, "much more likely we've got somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 people infected."

With doubling every 3 days, that would mean 10,000 to 20,000 as of now. Either way, a very small fraction of homes.

Just telling you what a doctor told my daughter 2 days ago mate. That's all. But there is no doubt in my mind that there are many more people with this virus than the official stats. Especially as they seem to only be testing people with serious symptoms.