UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Dribble]

Disappointed. We shouldn’t get involved in something so self serving.

Don't you find it odd that there's no denials against involvement, only a quote from Sheffield United saying they had bigger fish to fry, rather than get involved in any unnecessary nonsense.

 

[Jack Hackett]

Don't you find it odd that there's no denials against involvement, only a quote from Sheffield United saying they had bigger fish to fry, rather than get involved in any unnecessary nonsense.

Difficult to know exactly what happened and I suspect we will never find out. I thought City had challenged Arsenal on this and they denied they were the instigators? I still believe that the top English clubs at the end of the day have relatively little influence with UEFA - Real, Barca and Bayern call the shots.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Someone asked the question, do we have to abide by EU Law in respect to football once we leave. I'd say hell yes.

At the moment we have to abide by the decisions of the ECJ but that will change when the transition period ends. In the matter of City's "difference" with UEFA this will make no difference because competition law in the UK will still be identical to that in the EU. I suspect City will go through the ECJ but a case against the letter writers might have to be filed in the UK.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Fuck Arteta and his tiny head.

Fucking Thunderbirds puppet.

 

[Dribble]

Difficult to know exactly what happened and I suspect we will never find out. I thought City had challenged Arsenal on this and they denied they were the instigators? I still believe that the top English clubs at the end of the day have relatively little influence with UEFA - Real, Barca and Bayern call the shots.

Apparently the letters were sent to solicitors, to be forwarded to CAS. Why they think this should have a legal bearing baffles me, but I think it was more for effect, & to show anyone paying attention that it'a not just Europe who are pissed off at City's threat.

Arsenal saying they'll reply to any accusations from City personally, isn't the telling part, it's Sheffield Utd saying they didn't want to be involved. That in itself is an admission there is truth in the stories.

I know clubs like ManUre, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chavs etc hate the fact City have smashed the Sky Four Cartel, but even I'm shocked they'd display their utter hatred of us, so blatantly.

How do you personally feel about the situation, as a fan of a former Sky Four Club? City have had nothing to lose in my lifetime, until recently, so I don't know how I'd feel about Arsenal, ManUre, Chavs or LFC if the situations were reversed.

Having said that, I'm in the camp of give LFC the title, but then what do you do about the relegation threatened clubs?

 

[Chappie]

Difficult to know exactly what happened and I suspect we will never find out. I thought City had challenged Arsenal on this and they denied they were the instigators? I still believe that the top English clubs at the end of the day have relatively little influence with UEFA - Real, Barca and Bayern call the shots.

United liverpool and you're team were part of the original G14 ( cartel) you have as much influence as them
You are all pissing in the same pot, unfortunately pots start leaking after few years.

 

[Dribble]

At the moment we have to abide by the decisions of the ECJ but that will change when the transition period ends. In the matter of City's "difference" with UEFA this will make no difference because competition law in the UK will still be identical to that in the EU. I suspect City will go through the ECJ but a case against the letter writers might have to be filed in the UK.

I can't see how any UK club's situation would change after Brexit. It's a European competition, governed by EU Law. I'd imagine anyone going up against that principle, would be told to eat shit.

 

[mike1923]

Apparently the letters were sent to solicitors, to be forwarded to CAS. Why they think this should have a legal bearing baffles me, but I think it was more for effect, & to show anyone paying attention that it'a not just Europe who are pissed off at City's threat.

Arsenal saying they'll reply to any accusations from City personally, isn't the telling part, it's Sheffield Utd saying they didn't want to be involved. That in itself is an admission there is truth in the stories.

I know clubs like ManUre, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chavs etc hate the fact City have smashed the Sky Four Cartel, but even I'm shocked they'd display their utter hatred of us, so blatantly.

How do you personally feel about the situation, as a fan of a former Sky Four Club? City have had nothing to lose in my lifetime, until recently, so I don't know how I'd feel about Arsenal, ManUre, Chavs or LFC if the situations were reversed.

Having said that, I'm in the camp of give LFC the title, but then what do you do about the relegation threatened clubs?

same reason that why when people dispute money they owe they lie and say ‘I’ve been advised by my solicitor that this isn’t payable’ because they are under the impression it carries any weight

 

[ganganvince]

Apparently the letters were sent to solicitors, to be forwarded to CAS. Why they think this should have a legal bearing baffles me, but I think it was more for effect, & to show anyone paying attention that it'a not just Europe who are pissed off at City's threat.

Arsenal saying they'll reply to any accusations from City personally, isn't the telling part, it's Sheffield Utd saying they didn't want to be involved. That in itself is an admission there is truth in the stories.

I know clubs like ManUre, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chavs etc hate the fact City have smashed the Sky Four Cartel, but even I'm shocked they'd display their utter hatred of us, so blatantly.

How do you personally feel about the situation, as a fan of a former Sky Four Club? City have had nothing to lose in my lifetime, until recently, so I don't know how I'd feel about Arsenal, ManUre, Chavs or LFC if the situations were reversed.

Having said that, I'm in the camp of give LFC the title, but then what do you do about the relegation threatened clubs?

I know CAS isn't a court but would have thought the principle of confidentiality would be similar whereas they couldn't enter into any communication with 3rd parties.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I know CAS isn't a court but would have thought the principle of confidentiality would be similar whereas they couldn't enter into any communication with 3rd parties.

I’m sure that I read somewhere that the cas will not permit the introduction of new evidence from either side at any hearing they conduct. ( if anyone can confirm).Not that this letter is evidence of anything except of panic -stricken squealing from an assortment of has-beens.
This would also preclude the idea that uefa have some sort of secret weapon to hit us with at the cas, as we would surely already know about anything they may have.

 

[Centurions]

...
However UEFA is primarily a vehicle to protect Real, Barca, Bayern

I’d say it’s those 3 that pack the bigger punch than English clubs

David Gill says hi (just for one).

Difficult to know exactly what happened and I suspect we will never find out. I thought City had challenged Arsenal on this and they denied they were the instigators? I still believe that the top English clubs at the end of the day have relatively little influence with UEFA - Real, Barca and Bayern call the shots.

So not instigators but involved? Can't say there's much difference there.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I can't see how any UK club's situation would change after Brexit. It's a European competition, governed by EU Law. I'd imagine anyone going up against that principle, would be told to eat shit.

The CL is a UEFA tournament and Turkish and Israeli teams can compete in it. It is, therefore, not an EU tournament or even a European tournament in that sense. Normally, one would expect that questions of law affecting such a tournament would refer to points of football law and here FIFA and UEFA would be authoritative. FFP, however, raises genuinely legal issues. The football authorities have tried to ensure that any questions arising from the decisions of the AC should be dealt with by CAS but this has been found a violation of human rights recently by a Brussels court. Clubs have accepted the ruling of CAS, though some have pursued the matter further in the Swiss courts. The interesting question would have been if Fenerbahce had not got satisfaction in the Swiss courts would it have pursued the matter in the ECJ or the Turkish courts? Now, one of the main arguments put forward by the leave campaign in the UK was that leaving the EU would "free the UK from having to accept the decisions of the ECJ". If City do call the legality of FFP into question it will almost certainly do so through the ECJ for a judgement UEFA would have to obey, but such a judgement would not necessarily have any force in the UK and a case filed in the English and Welsh courts may be necessary to pursue the letter writers, especially for damages. But for damages - a favourable judgement from the ECJ would render FFP null and void.

 

[Dribble]

I know CAS isn't a court but would have thought the principle of confidentiality would be similar whereas they couldn't enter into any communication with 3rd parties.

Agreed. However, the fact this action's been taken & made public, in my mind is a blatant attempt to influence CAS.

It's similar to when the Govan Piss Can, or Moureen-o would complain about certain players, or the tactics of an opponent to put pressure on the match officials. It's all bollocks mate...

 

[Salford_Blue]

Feel free for Arsenal fans to remind us who has sponsored their shirts and stadium for so long?

It seems not all oil money is as dirty as ours.

Perhaps Liverpool and United fans can also get together and ask the same of their teams regularly setting up training camps in such a filthy oil region.

NFL cartel wankers.

Never mind the main shirt sponsor, has anyone booked their fortnight in Kigali City yet?

 

[Dribble]

The CL is a UEFA tournament and Turkish and Israeli teams can compete in it. It is, therefore, not an EU tournament or even a European tournament in that sense. Normally, one would expect that questions of law affecting such a tournament would refer to points of football law and here FIFA and UEFA would be authoritative. FFP, however, raises genuinely legal issues. The football authorities have tried to ensure that any questions arising from the decisions of the AC should be dealt with by CAS but this has been found a violation of human rights recently by a Brussels court. Clubs have accepted the ruling of CAS, though some have pursued the matter further in the Swiss courts. The interesting question would have been if Fenerbahce had not got satisfaction in the Swiss courts would it have pursued the matter in the ECJ or the Turkish courts? Now, one of the main arguments put forward by the leave campaign in the UK was that leaving the EU would "free the UK from having to accept the decisions of the ECJ". If City do call the legality of FFP into question it will almost certainly do so through the ECJ for a judgement UEFA would have to obey, but such a judgement would not necessarily have any force in the UK and a case filed in the English and Welsh courts may be necessary to pursue the letter writers, especially for damages. But for damages - a favourable judgement from the ECJ would render FFP null and void.

Bosman has shown which court ultimately has the final say over European football. Yes, Turkish & Israeli teams compete in them, but under the laws of the EU.

To trade with the EU, every country has to meet their exacting standards, which must be verified. This doesn't compel these countries to trade with the EU, but it does if they want to trade.

As for European football, no one is compelling UK clubs to abide by EU Law, however if we do want to compete, we have to..... Plain & simple....

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Bosman has shown which court ultimately has the final say over European football. Yes, Turkish & Israeli teams compete in them, but under the laws of the EU.

To trade with the EU, every country has to meet their exacting standards, which must be verified. This doesn't compel these countries to trade with the EU, but it does if they want to trade.

As for European football, no one is compelling UK clubs to abide by EU Law, however if we do want to compete, we have to..... Plain & simple....

The question of ultimate authority only becomes an issue if there is a verdict from the English courts which is different to that of the ECJ, Suppose that the ECJ did lay down that football is a "sporting exception" and that in the interests of the game UEFA could forbid investment by an owner. This seems so improbable as to be impossible but let us suppose. The only course of action left to City would be an appeal to the English courts which by then will not be bound by the judgements of the ECJ. The English courts would almost certainly find that FFP contravened our competition laws and that City were not compelled to pay the fine. It is hard to imagine that UEFA would quash the fine or the ban, but if City really pushed things they could apply to our courts for an injunction preventing other English teams competing in the CL or the EL or any other UEFA tournament until City's injustice was remedied. The forces pushing for a settlement would then not be the law but the loss of TV coverage from the biggest payer and loss of sponsorship ... and, of course the wailings of certain clubs which might feel compelled to write letters to UEFA, and UEFA and City might be more prepared to compromise. Whether City or UEFA would wish to go to these lengths....

 

[Grassland Blue]

Surely, buying a club in the first place is an investment...

 

[KS55]

Surely, buying a club in the first place is an investment...

But the money does not accrue to the club, but to the shareholders.

 

[better dead than red]

Feel free for Arsenal fans to remind us who has sponsored their shirts and stadium for so long?

It seems not all oil money is as dirty as ours.

Perhaps Liverpool and United fans can also get together and ask the same of their teams regularly setting up training camps in such a filthy oil region.

NFL cartel wankers.

"Why Ike, whatever do you mean?" Arsenal's owner is a fine man.

https://www.101espn.com/2016/12/16/stan-kroenke-rich-person-broken-man/

https://deadspin.com/dont-forget-that-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-is-a-shitbird-1832176300

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/stan-kroenke-bad

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texas-mans-suicide-note-blames-rams-owner-stan-kroenke/

 

[better dead than red]

Never mind the main shirt sponsor, has anyone booked their fortnight in Kigali City yet?

Who hasn't yet, is the real question! :-)