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Chippy_boy said:
The beginning of Feb is not "at Christmas" mate. I would say the chances you had it by early Feb are very slim indeed. Beginning of Jan? No chance.

Why? Because this is a highly infectious disease and whoever had it would have passed it on to others who passed it on to others, exponentially. If someone had it at Christmas in the UK, then we would be miles further advanced with this disease in the UK than we are now.
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we received a message from local council in dorset giving advice on wuhan coronavirus (their words) on eleventh of february. gave symptoms and asked if we were displaying any and had travelled to china, japan, macau, malaysia, taiwan, thailand etc. so i would say based on that health authorities were aware in late january at latest.
 
robbieh said:
I imagine the Chinese could well be responsible for covering up initially. I suppose my point was that this is not specifically a Chinese government trait.
When they had the train bomb attack in Madrid years ago, the government decided to blame ETA, despite evidence to the contrary. And the UK and US and everybody else do the same sort of thing, often using the phrase in the interests of national security.
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Yes remember the ETA incident and initial subsequent cover up. It's much harder with pathogens to create cover ups as there is a biological trail that can be analysed as well as the fact that there is a lot of independent first hand testimony with social media (I know most is bullshit though).

Either way we need to move on and hope that the best we can all get in the future is an international accord for an agreement for on ground WHO officials who can investigate, qualify and act on any suspicious outbreaks - but not easy to implement with states that are built on censorship and state secrecy! something positive has to come out of this mess for future generations.
 
180 deaths today here, but Italy also showed a drop from 13th March (250) to 14th March (175) before their huge numbers started showing.
 
Vic said:
I'm fed up with this now so - as I'm in a queue outside the pharmacy - I've given it more attention than I wanted to.

And if it had not been transmissible between humans how much of a travel ban would you have unnecessarily wanted imposed? The doctor (whistleblower) was right to suggest it might be a SARS virus but he could have been wrong. Given the reluctance of western governments to lock down their travel and not even check arrivals from known hotspots even now, finger pointing at China or WHO seems just deflection.

Do you really think they weren't trying to identify it because they are communists? WHO reported on 12 January that "A total of 763 close contacts including healthcare workers, have been identified and followed up and no additional cases of infection with the novel coronavirus have been identified".

Blaming the Chinese for not knowing what they were dealing with and trying to suppress what might have been panic-inducing opinion is one thing. Excusing western governments their inaction when they did know what they were dealing with is another.

Go on - imagine it. The population of Wuhan finds out there's a highly infectious SARS virus in the city. "Let's all go home to other parts of China ..."

Can I suggest another offshoot thread to declutter this? The whose fault is it pointless thread.
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You may be sick of it Vic but I can assure you, you’d get over it quicker if you actually read the facts.

This isn’t about China “not knowing”, of course they knew, hell Taiwan knew and were ignored by the WHO.

This is about them lying about it until the 2nd week of January, there’s absolutely no way they didn’t know that it was transmissible then.

The West were caught sleeping and their failure to stop travel from the East certainly was a huge mistake.

That doesn’t take away from the fact that China were telling the WHO it’s not transmissible between humans well into January.

More and more reports are coming out about other governments being furious with them and I’m telling you now we will see some sort of punishment.

Communism allows a government to act in this way, it definitely has a lot to do with their cover ups.

It also has a great deal to do with the incessant defence of them by certain posters too, but then again that ideology expects collateral damage.
 
purplenose said:
Not convinced Chippy mate, I think it might have got here just before Xmas with people coming from China. I had something suspicious at the beginning of Feb that took a good three weeks to throw off, and it was mild. I am convinced I either picked it up in Malaga or at the airport coming back where I sat in the middle of about 200 italians waiting for a flight with Milan.

The more I hear the more I think there is a chance I have had the bugger.

If it does turn out that I did have it I will consider myself extremely lucky to have got off so lightly and only the fact I would rarely be at all lucky makes me think it was something else.
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Wouldn't there be a high probability that those people close to you around that Christmas period (a lot more one on one contact then) would have also exhibited some symptoms a week or so later? Apologies if you're a practising hermit ;-)
 
1415 deaths for us now

Only deaths in hospital counted,madness we have not been counting the rest,i have been saying this for a couple of weeks like those in care homes wouldn't be counted and would go down as whatever their expected death conditions were despite get battered for it
 
shackattack said:
we received a message from local council in dorset giving advice on wuhan coronavirus (their words) on eleventh of february. gave symptoms and asked if we were displaying any and had travelled to china, japan, macau, malaysia, taiwan, thailand etc. so i would say based on that health authorities were aware in late january at latest.
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Of course they were aware, no-one is disputing that. But there are 66m people in this country and the chances of someone here having had it at Christmas are remote in the extreme. Like losing an old lottery ticket you never checked and convincing yourself that it was the jackpot winning ticket - it wasn't.

Not least when there was a bloody awful flu strain kicking around at the time - I had it myself.
 
karen7 said:
1415 deaths for us now

Only deaths in hospital counted,madness we have not been counting the rest,i have been saying this for a couple of weeks like those in care homes wouldn't be counted and would go down as whatever their expected death conditions were despite get battered for it
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The figures will be quite chilling in a few days time I think.
 
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