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domalino said:
Which is lives over lives.

Let's not be stupid here, economic recessions and depressions kill people. Sweden are doing absolutely fine so far, have completely transparent data, and have no problem locking down if they need to.

This out of Germany might change everything as well -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20..._source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
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so you think we shouldn’t be on lock down ? And just go out and let the virus mutate even more ?

The numbers would be triple now, how on earth would our health care system cope ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
so you think we shouldn’t be on lock down ? And just go out and let the virus mutate even more ?

The numbers would be tripple now, how on earth would our health care system cope ?
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Nope, I never said that at all, you've completely invented it.

What I said was that it's bullshit to say Sweden is choosing economy over lives.

People will die from the recession we have here because of this. Health services will be cut, police numbers will go down, suicide rates will go up, people will become homeless. People have studied the last global recession and found mortality rates inversely linked to GDP.

So every country has a unique dilemma of when to lock down. Sweden are coping just fine without locking down so far, they have modelled the infection just like every country has.
 
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SPIDERBOY said:
I'm still working,so I find time to spend an hour or so reading this thread.
My Mrs watches the news in the morning and turns it off when the daughter gets up as she is over thinking things and panicking a bit.
So the news is banned when I get home.
The updates yourself and other people post is keeping the likes of me and a lot of others up to speed.
Keep it up.
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I can second that as I've started turning the news off in the morning when they start to show videos of random people singing to cheer us all up. Even Sky Sports News were doing it although I suppose they've got to fill the empty slots in between news about Livarpool* and the Rags.
 
karen7 said:
Expectation had been growing that the monarch would make a public statement about a situation that has seen the entire country enter an unprecedented lockdown.

While the Queen regularly speaks to the nation in her Christmas Day messages, the speech about the coronavirus marks just the fourth time in history she has given an off-calendar address about current affairs.

She previously gave a televised address ahead of her mother's funeral in 2002, following the death of Diana in 1997, and during the Gulf War in 1991

Whatever you think of the royal family the queen has always done her duty,she believes very much in doing her duty,hence why she is still going at 93 and phil as her consort has only just stepped back at 96/97
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Karen, she's making a speech from the comfort of her own home. Hardly going above and beyond.
I don't mind her either, she the last of what I'd class as proper royalty.
 
domalino said:
I think everyone's pretty clued up by now. I went out for my walk with the dog and people were crossing the street to avoid walking past each other, or stopping at a side street to let people through.

You can still enjoy the sun without breaking self-isolation.
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It wouldnt surprise me if the daily fail has at least one picture of some party group enjoying the sunshine even its the only one in the country......
 
Cheesy said:
I don't know the answer to that but I do know that, should the social distancing measures that we've got in place now work and the NHS doesn't reach breaking point, then at the end of the year if you were to just look at the number of people who'd died in the year the figure wouldn't look that remarkable.
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You’re quote right in that “if it works” and only 20,000 die then those numbers won’t be seem that remarkable. That’s why the powers that be are implementing them, to avoid 1/4m dead, and rightly so.

I found this article interesting about about Spanish numbers and it shows what happens when a health service is inundated though. It shows death figures for regions Spain are much higher than expected and only 1/3rd of the increase is officially noted down to Covid-19. That means that the lack of ICU beds is having a knock on effect and that perhaps 3x as many people are dying as a result of the situation, if not the virus directly. That’s what we are trying to avoid with social distancing.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/hidden-mortality-in-spain
 
SWP's back said:
You’re quote right in that “if it works” and only 20,000 die then those numbers won’t be seem that remarkable. That’s why the powers that be are implementing them, to avoid 1/4m dead, and rightly so.

I found this article interesting about about Spanish numbers and it shows what happens when a health service is inundated though. It shows death figures for regions Spain are much higher than expected and only 1/3rd of the increase is officially noted down to Covid-19. That means that the lack of ICU beds is having a knock on effect and that perhaps 3x as many people are dying as a result of the situation, if not the virus directly. That’s what we are trying to avoid with social distancing.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/hidden-mortality-in-spain
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Oh, I agree totally. I'm taking this shit very seriously as should every single person in the country.

Without the measures put in place the death toll really could have reached 250,000 and that sure as hell would have had a remarkable effect on the annual number of deaths.

It is a danger that people don't realise this.
 
NHS England said the newly confirmed deaths were patients aged between 24 and 100-years-old, with 34 of the patients - aged between 27 and 92 - having no known underlying health conditions.

London has seen many more deaths than anywhere else but the Midlands is now catching up, with 150 deaths recorded in the new figures, while 161 were in London.

The next highest is the northwest, with 88 deaths, followed by the east of England with 66 and the northeast and Yorkshire with 62. The southeast of englandhad 41 and the southwest 36
 
Pablo1 said:
Karen, she's making a speech from the comfort of her own home. Hardly going above and beyond.
I don't mind her either, she the last of what I'd class as proper royalty.
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where do you expect her to be,she will be in isolation at her age! She is the queen and will want to reassure and rally the public,she doesn't have to do it,she wants to
 
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