COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Tricky_Trev said:
I had to get a click and collect shop on Saturday and it’s the only time I’ve left the house in 3 weeks. Wore a snood over my face, not really believing it was doing anything, but more just to feel better, like a comfort thing. Are you saying it does actually help? I suppose it does naff all to stop me catching it but would help stop me spreading it if I had it myself?
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It will help somewhat, even in terms of protecting you. I know it's only the Daily Mail, so probably complete bollocks, but here's some info:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050587/Coronavirus-face-masks-selling-one-buy.html

And you are right the big benefit is to everyone else. You may have the virus and not know it, and then if you are wearing a mask (or hanky or whatever) then when you cough you are not infecting others. The benefit to you is that if others are doing the same, they won't be infecting you either.

Asia has realised this for years, and it's simply staggering that the UK is so stubbornly and defiantly saying they are of no benefit when patently that is not true.

 
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Blue Bogey said:
A good link below which shows outcome of cases in UK. Admissions, Demographic areas, sex, ethnicity etc. I won’t bore you with figures as there are several graphs, when you can just look yourself and interpret what you wish.

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b
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Quite a few interesting points in there, as been mentioned elsewhere it seems the majority of patients admitted are Male and from resolved cases it’s 50/50 whether it results in death or not. Obviously small sample size currently.

This goes down to 32% chance of survival if you need advanced respiratory support :/
 
Chippy_boy said:
It will help somewhat, even in terms of protecting you. I know it's only the Daily Mail, so probably complete bollocks, but here's some info:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050587/Coronavirus-face-masks-selling-one-buy.html

And you are right the big benefit is to everyone else. You may have the virus and not know it, and then if you are wearing a mask (or hanky or whatever) then when you cough you are not infecting others. The benefit to you is that if others are doing the same, they won't be infecting you either.

Asia has realised this for years, and it's simply staggering that the UK is so stubbornly and defiantly saying they are of no benefit when patently that is not true.

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Yeah true. When it started to dawn on people that this was serious, I heard people saying so many times “I saw someone wearing a mask today and it wasn’t an Asian person”. Honestly, I heard this so much. Like it’s weird behaviour for someone without Asian roots to wear a mask during a pandemic. Instead of understanding it, we scoff at it, are ignorant about it, and will suffer for it.
 
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paulchapo said:
Some interesting stuff on this and other viruses.

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This from the same guy explains how, unlike Flu, a vaccine for Covid-19 is likely to work and it won’t mutate so much that a vaccine does work.

I’m going to save the article as I’m sure the discussion will move on to this in the months to come.



and the article:

https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-vaccine
 
The thing with masks is knowing how to use and dispose of them.
Those mask wearing countries showing less viral impact (assuming you believe the official numbers) are more used to dealing with a sudden outbreaks, therefore masks are only part of equation. Tougher enforcement and a more obedient population also helps.
Even if they help lower the impact of the first wave, it means there are more people to get it in the second wave.

It seems most people will get this at some point because social distancing/isolation only slows it down.
We have seen what the government was saying about us only having one shot at a lockdown. People are already showing complete contempt for what is happening. A second lock down during a large second wave won't be properly observed.

So for what works in one country, doesn't necessarily work in another.
It's not a competition. Just because our figures don't better anothers, doesn't mean we are not doing well etc.
 
SWP's back said:
This from the same guy explains how, unlike Flu, a vaccine for Covid-19 is likely to work and it won’t mutate so much that a vaccine does work.

I’m going to save the article as I’m sure the discussion will move on to this in the months to come.



and the article:

https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-vaccine
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Did you read his thread about America's healthcare system? Fascinating and scary in equal measure.
 
Marvin said:
Here's the hospitalisation data from the beginning of the press conference which I missed first time around.

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Interesting how this spike Friday through Sunday corresponds with the Pre-Lockdown party.
 
SWP's back said:
This from the same guy explains how, unlike Flu, a vaccine for Covid-19 is likely to work and it won’t mutate so much that a vaccine does work.

I’m going to save the article as I’m sure the discussion will move on to this in the months to come.



and the article:

https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-vaccine
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Yes it was excellent. For others who are interested I found this short video which explains the background to segmentation, shift mutations, and relevance for vaccines which I found useful.

 
Chippy_boy said:
It will help somewhat, even in terms of protecting you. I know it's only the Daily Mail, so probably complete bollocks, but here's some info:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050587/Coronavirus-face-masks-selling-one-buy.html

And you are right the big benefit is to everyone else. You may have the virus and not know it, and then if you are wearing a mask (or hanky or whatever) then when you cough you are not infecting others. The benefit to you is that if others are doing the same, they won't be infecting you either.

Asia has realised this for years, and it's simply staggering that the UK is so stubbornly and defiantly saying they are of no benefit when patently that is not true.

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The good news is that the doctrine of ' Tou Don't Need A Mask' stupidity is finally starting to be swept under the carpet.
According to lot's of reports (and Google is your friend here), Italy and Spain plan to make it compulsory for you to cover your nose and mouth when you're out and about when they eventually start to lift restrictions.
I still expact the doctrine to live on in the UK for weeks yet, as trying to change the PHE and NHS direction of travel is like getting the CCP to admit it fucked up during the first 2 months of Corona virus.
 
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