Another new Brexit thread

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carlosthejackal said:
Have we kicked out any of those pesky foreigners working every hour god sends saving lives in the NHS yet ??
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No - but those who choose to leave or sadly die will not be replaced by any of their compatriots as they will fail to clear the bar we are setting. Also I wouldn't mind betting a lot of Spanish and Italian healthcare specialists will feel the call of their homelands which will be in need of their skills when things get back to like some sort of normal. Could be we look back with fondness on the days when we were "only" down by 43,000 nurses
 
bluethrunthru said:
No - but those who choose to leave or sadly die will not be replaced by any of their compatriots as they will fail to clear the bar we are setting. Also I wouldn't mind betting a lot of Spanish and Italian healthcare specialists will feel the call of their homelands which will be in need of their skills when things get back to like some sort of normal. Could be we look back with fondness on the days when we were "only" down by 43,000 nurses
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I’ve said this numerous times on this forum and I often repeat myself, which I hate. But I need to say it again.

My line Manager now is a former NHS Manager and we work in recruitment, he says there was never a problem with finding talent in the UK to supply the NHS, they had thousands of applicants. They’d just rather get a ready made nurse in from elsewhere.

Recruitment in the UK, well and elsewhere, is flawed.

Rather than testing the person on their ability to do a job, we focus on what they’ve previously done.

Sometimes the best people are people with no prior experience, just the attributes needed.

Eventually interviews will be scenario based tests to see if people can do it.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve said this numerous times on this forum and I often repeat myself, which I hate. But I need to say it again.

My line Manager now is a former NHS Manager and we work in recruitment, he says there was never a problem with finding talent in the UK to supply the NHS, they had thousands of applicants. They’d just rather get a ready made nurse in from elsewhere.

Recruitment in the UK, well and elsewhere, is flawed.

Rather than testing the person on their ability to do a job, we focus on what they’ve previously done.

Sometimes the best people are people with no prior experience, just the attributes needed.

Eventually interviews will be scenario based tests to see if people can do it.
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I guess we are at maximum capacity of nurses available in the U.K. at present.

it’ll be interesting to see whether we are massively short later in the year.

Nice to se Blueinsa liking your post. He seems to be in a Brexit wormhole, especially since his “it’s a bit of flu” approach failed.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve said this numerous times on this forum and I often repeat myself, which I hate. But I need to say it again.

My line Manager now is a former NHS Manager and we work in recruitment, he says there was never a problem with finding talent in the UK to supply the NHS, they had thousands of applicants. They’d just rather get a ready made nurse in from elsewhere.

Recruitment in the UK, well and elsewhere, is flawed.

Rather than testing the person on their ability to do a job, we focus on what they’ve previously done.

Sometimes the best people are people with no prior experience, just the attributes needed.

Eventually interviews will be scenario based tests to see if people can do it.
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Am I missing something (again)? The government has dropped the £30,000 minimum salary requirement for overseas nurses - but so far it's suspended only till the end of this year. Of course we would rather recruit a ready trained nurse from abroad than someone to train (makes up for those trained in the NHS who go abroad to better paid and less stressful jobs).

And you're saying it's ok - because we can recruit thousands of unqualified people to train as nurses. How would they get a visa?

This sounds so unreal I assume I must be missing the point.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I guess we are at maximum capacity of nurses available in the U.K. at present.

it’ll be interesting to see whether we are massively short later in the year.

Nice to se Blueinsa liking your post. He seems to be in a Brexit wormhole, especially since his “it’s a bit of flu” approach failed.
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We are massively short now. Up to 10,000 nurses recruited each year from EU until 2016. Now under a thousand each year.

Not to worry. There are thousands of would be immigrants with no qualifications who would happily come and train as nurses.

Gosh, we even have asylum-seeking doctors stacking shelves waiting for their application to be decided.

I know. Brexit wasn't about immigration.
 
bluethrunthru said:
No - but those who choose to leave or sadly die will not be replaced by any of their compatriots as they will fail to clear the bar we are setting. Also I wouldn't mind betting a lot of Spanish and Italian healthcare specialists will feel the call of their homelands which will be in need of their skills when things get back to like some sort of normal. Could be we look back with fondness on the days when we were "only" down by 43,000 nurses
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And 10,000 doctors , plus 106000 back office staff
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
You've got 17.4 million you could ask ...
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That's just it though. You are assuming that every brexit voter was voting for some sort of 4th Reich with repatriation and god knows what else as key policies. I'm honestly not sure this is the case, and maybe this assumption in itself may lead to a chronic misreading of the public mood?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's just it though. You are assuming that every brexit voter was voting for some sort of 4th Reich with repatriation and god knows what else as key policies. I'm honestly not sure this is the case, and maybe this assumption in itself may lead to a chronic misreading of the public mood?
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I get that ...... but no one on this forum has yet listed a positive of Brexit that can surpass what we had (or could've had ) whilst in the EU
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Who did? I don't know anyone who wanted that. Maybe it's the kind of people you mix with that want it?
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Not the first time someone's questioned the people I mix with.
I mix with a very wide range of people, socially and intellectually. Homeless, millionaires, shopkeepers, high flyers and unemployed, young and old, from all over the world or never left their hometown, ex-cons and coppers, in the street and on the Web, racists, hippies, sensible and fucking mental.
If you think that nobody I've talked to or overheard didn't want foreigners 'sent back' then I suggest you get out more.
 
stonerblue said:
Not the first time someone's questioned the people I mix with.
I mix with a very wide range of people, socially and intellectually. Homeless, millionaires, shopkeepers, high flyers and unemployed, young and old, from all over the world or never left their hometown, ex-cons and coppers, in the street and on the Web, racists, hippies, sensible and fucking mental.
If you think that nobody I've talked to or overheard didn't want foreigners 'sent back' then I suggest you get out more.
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You sound like a prostitute.
 
stonerblue said:
Not the first time someone's questioned the people I mix with.
I mix with a very wide range of people, socially and intellectually. Homeless, millionaires, shopkeepers, high flyers and unemployed, young and old, from all over the world or never left their hometown, ex-cons and coppers, in the street and on the Web, racists, hippies, sensible and fucking mental.
If you think that nobody I've talked to or overheard didn't want foreigners 'sent back' then I suggest you get out more.
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I wouldn't doubt it, but that must also mean you've spoken to people who didn't vote to get rid of immigrants.

Odd that you'd only focus on mentioning those that do and therefore tarring the rest as having the same viewpoint.
 
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