COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[DrBlueBob]

He probably wants state control that masks thousands of deaths and suppresses the populace and asks us all to be eternally grateful

Do we all get identical jackets?

 

[paulchapo]

I think this couple of weeks high figures were expected as it's supposedly our peak. Its interesting that countries with a much harsher lockdown than ours are still getting high death rates, Spain for example.

The only way a lockdown would really work is how they did it in China. That is only essential people allowed out, everyone else was behind closed doors with food delivered and left outside.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

What we do need unfortunately is much more time to collate additional data on the capabilities of the virus and the most effective policy to contain the virus whist hoping to make big steps to the vaccine.

You can't say until the new infection figures are published, if they continue as they are we may not reach the new infection peak Italy and Spain did so may not be a few weeks behind. Also we are beginning to add in deaths from other places not sure Spain or Italy did that. France are starting to and also seeing these big spikes.

were the ONS numbers for the week added to yesterday’s hospital figures? I.e not incorporated in these figures today, these are just hospital mortalities?

 

[jay_mcfc]

we must be hitting the peak of deaths now from that period of when everyone went boozing on the friday and the race meeting and football,,it must surely start to drop soon

I think the peak is at least a week away and will last longer than other countries. Very sobering thought. You have to hope that many of these numbers today and yesterday are catchup numbers otherwise the UK is on for most European deaths.

The big piss up was 19 days ago. You will still be looking at up to 3/4 weeks for that to tell its full toll.

 

[kaz7]

You can't say until the new infection figures are published, if they continue as they are we may not reach the new infection peak Italy and Spain did so may not be a few weeks behind. Also we are beginning to add in deaths from other places not sure Spain or Italy did that. France are starting to and also seeing these big spikes.

the ONS figures go on the tues figures,it is wed today isn't it,i am not really sure anymore

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Out of interest, what is your vision of the 'new' economy?

One where this is not considered 'business as usual' for a start.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-richest-wealth-credit-suisse

 

[marco]

It won't drop until after the new cases start to drop, the more the new cases stay at the same rate or higher, the more the numbers in ICU will grow and the deaths will also. Maybe in the next week or so new cases will have peaked, deaths will be at leat a week after that.

are these new cases tested as suspected covid or are they random tests because the later indicates a bad situation not that it can be much worse

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think this couple of weeks high figures were expected as it's supposedly our peak. Its interesting that countries with a much harsher lockdown than ours are still getting high death rates, Spain for example.

The only way a lockdown would really work is how they did it in China. That is only essential people allowed out, everyone else was behind closed doors with food delivered and left outside.

The UK isn’t at its peak and won’t be for a little while yet. The peak will last quite a while too. Spain is almost 4 weeks into quite a strict lockdown and things are only just looking a little better.

 

[kaz7]

Ok thanks, flying back stranded passengers is not something to criticise, long as they are being checked.

alot of people making out all airports are open for business as usual and everyone can fly in and out

There are and have never been checks on people comi ng in and there are no restrictions on flights in,aside from the firms that have gone out of business the others are flying in as normal

 

[domalino]

Aside from the 2,000 brits we have brought back there is how many on flights from everywhere in the last week that we haven't stopped? They only need to meet up with one other person each,if they are infected of course,it is naive to think none of that matters

It's just not a problem. 2,000 people over 3 weeks in a country of 70,000,000 coming off a plane, walking through a barely staffed airport and going home into lockdown immediately.

Even if all 2,000 were infected (and lets be clear here that it's unlikely they are, because they've been in lockdown in the hotel rooms they've been stranded in with almost no contact with the outside world for 2 weeks) it wouldn't make a ripple in the overall numbers of deaths after the peak or spreading of the virus.

We went from having nearly 70,000,000 people out and about spreading the virus or being able to get infected, to maybe 7,000,000 at a stretch overnight when the lockdown came in. That's what causes the drop off from the lockdown. And you're worried about 2,000 people over 3 weeks.

Just think it through.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Slightly off-topic perhaps but I am finding his videos informative, but increasingly annoying. In that he always takes 30 minutes to explain what could be explained in 3. And the needless and endless repetition. They are so tedious, I find myself giving up after a few minutes - I just wish he would get on with it much more.

I watched him every day in January and February but got fed up of him.

 

[blueparrot]

What we do need unfortunately is much more time to collate additional data on the capabilities of the virus and the most effective policy to contain the virus whist hoping to make big steps to the vaccine.


were the ONS numbers for the week added to yesterday’s hospital figures? I.e not incorporated in these figures today, these are just hospital mortalities?

I don't know UK wise. I know the Scottish figures have changed the way they are counted so death certificates where Covid is added as a contributing factor when registered are now added these will include non hospital cases

"
The way Scotland records its coronavirus-related deaths is changing. The National Records of Scotland has issued its first bulletin taking into account a wider view of fatalities.

It shows that between 30 March to 5 April, deaths linked to Covid-19 stood at 282.

Since the outbreak in Scotland began there have been 366 deaths associated with the novel coronavirus. That figure is a combination of the daily Health Protection Scotland statistics and the newly sourced National Records of Scotland data.

The stats also revealed;

• More than 60% of deaths were people aged 75 or over in the week starting 30 March"

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Spain also another daily increase 757 more.

I‘I’ve seen it as 510 on the COVID Visualiser (May not be accurate though).

 

[grunge]

I‘I’ve seen it as 510 on the COVID Visualiser (May not be accurate though).

someone on here said Spain do 2 data dumps a day on it so worldmeter may just have the 1st one so far.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It's just not a problem. 2,000 people over 3 weeks in a country of 70,000,000 coming off a plane, walking through a barely staffed airport and going home into lockdown immediately.

Even if all 2,000 were infected (and lets be clear here that it's unlikely they are, because they've been in lockdown in the hotel rooms they've been stranded in with almost no contact with the outside world for 2 weeks) it wouldn't make a ripple in the overall numbers of deaths after the peak or spreading of the virus.

We went from having nearly 70,000,000 people out and about spreading the virus or being able to get infected, to maybe 7,000,000 at a stretch overnight when the lockdown came in. That's what causes the drop off from the lockdown. And you're worried about 2,000 people over 3 weeks.

Just think it through.

well said, think alot more outrage would be shown and government would be taking immediate action if we was casually letting in thousands of passengers every day without any precautions (which was the case a few weeks ago) but not now

 

[Deleted member 77198]

we must be hitting the peak of deaths now from that period of when everyone went boozing on the friday and the race meeting and football,,it must surely start to drop soon

If secondary and tertiary infections between families and workmates comes from that weekend, where people may have got a primary infection, then we’re a week or two away yet.

 

[domalino]

well said, think alot more outrage would be shown and government would be taking immediate action if we was casually letting in thousands of passengers every day without any precautions

It's just a bizarre thing to get upset about...every country is repatriating people. Even China never stopped people coming home, Milan airport is still open in the worst affected region of the world...6 more flights today on their arrivals board, from Bucharest, Frankfurt, Rome and Valencia.

 

[Worzel Gummidge#9]

A worrying thing is you could be tested on one day and come back negative for the virus but the day after you could pick it up so in effect the test is active in a fine time margin.

The other test to see if you have had it would be beneficial though.

The logistics of testing everyone in the UK will be difficult and I can imagine it will open a massive can of worms

 

[grunge]

Interesting article with regards to Antibody tests and possible reinfection.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...rus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about

A team from Fudan University analysed blood samples from 175 patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and found that nearly a third had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies.

In some cases, antibodies could not be detected at all.

 

[marco]

A worrying thing is you could be tested on one day and come back negative for the virus but the day after you could pick it up so in effect the test is active in a fine time margin.

The other test to see if you have had it would be beneficial though.

The logistics of testing everyone in the UK will be difficult and I can imagine it will open a massive can of worms

im certainly no testing expert, but the antibody test i think is the important one, now im not sure if thats the one that is 100% reliable,if it is they need to random test on a massive scale, an app on your phone which will alow you to travel, work etc,to enable this we would need 100% lock down and start from that,it would take weeks if not months and also fully close the UK borders off if its not been done