Spurs thread 2019/20

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domalino said:
Just to cap it off... the club's just announced Jimmy Greaves is in hospital because of Covid19

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All the best, Jimmy. I remember as a small boy watching "film of today's football" on ITV's national news on a Saturday, which was often highlights of Chelsea's sensational young goalscorer, but it wasn't until he came back from Italy that I was able to see him in the flesh at Maine Road. By then he played for Spurs, who had become the first team to win the double in the 20th century (the season before he joined them?). We played them on the Saturday before they played Benfica in the semi-final (second leg?) and we hammered them 6-2. John Benson played a blinder and Jimmy (the penalty area pickpocket) hardly got a kick). And when I saw him at Maine Road in the future it seemed to coincide with some stellar performances from City, like the ballet on ice. One exception, however was his debut for West Ham, against City, when he scored a hatrick in a 5-1 win on a pitch under about 3 inches of water! His best for us was only to be seen on Match of the Day, but it was well worth waiting for. The only regret was that Alf won the world cup without you in the team. That's not a criticism of anyone, but it did represent the triumph of graft over craft. Get well, Jimmy, it was always a pleasure to watch you. You were a truly great player and a truly good man.
 
So one of their greatest ever players is currently in hospital fighting this horrible virus, while at the same time Levy appears to be getting his priorities right - I genuinely thought this was a piss take when I first heard about it because even by Levy’s standards this would be a low blow:
 
M18CTID said:
Is mowing Levy’s lawn classed as “essential work”?
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Is it just that though bud ?
Working/maintaining an estate encompasses more that just horticultural duties, I'm sure 'ground staff' would include all sorts of maintenance work (actually, I know it does), and as the article says, " as the club attempt to keep employees in work", I'll call him out when I think it's right, and I'd be first in the queue, but if his intentions are honourable, then he gets a pass on this one for me, be interesting to see what said ground staff have to say about it.
 
M18CTID said:
Is mowing Levy’s lawn classed as “essential work”?
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Oh, come on!

Please try to think carefully why Levy might be doing this. Just to show the world how extravagant he can be with his vast wealth when he's not counting it, perhaps? How selfish he can be if he really puts his mind to it? To deliver a big fuck off to all the staff he furloughed? Or a big fuck off to those others still employed but currently receiving only 80% of their normal wage?

Or perhaps this shows that he's scandalously taking advantage of the coronavirus crisis to enrich himself? Corrupt opportunism or opportunist corruption - take your pick. He must be Spectre, Dr Evil and Mini-Me all rolled into one.....

Or perhaps, perhaps.........it could just be that, despite the fact that he has absolutely no need to employ any of the ground staff to work at his home and even less desire to waste money doing so, he is employing them because he can take on the payment of their wages for the time being rather than the club or the government having to do so.

You think?
 
JimB said:
Oh, come on!

Please try to think carefully why Levy might be doing this. Just to show the world how extravagant he can be with his vast wealth when he's not counting it, perhaps? How selfish he can be if he really puts his mind to it? To deliver a big fuck off to all the staff he furloughed? Or a big fuck off to those others still employed but currently receiving only 80% of their normal wage?

Or perhaps this shows that he's scandalously taking advantage of the coronavirus crisis to enrich himself? Corrupt opportunism or opportunist corruption - take your pick. He must be Spectre, Dr Evil and Mini-Me all rolled into one.....

Or perhaps, perhaps.........it could just be that, despite the fact that he has absolutely no need to employ any of the ground staff to work at his home and even less desire to waste money doing so, he is employing them because he can take on the payment of their wages for the time being rather than the club or the government having to do so.

You think?
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I dunno Jim - you tell me. You know him better than I do ;)

Either way, even his intentions are good I don't see how doing any work on his estate can be classed as essential. Why put anyone at unnecessary risk of catching this virus? The club should just accept that non-furloughed staff get paid their full wages even if it means them being sat at home doing fuck-all while all this is going on. That's what most other high profile clubs are doing - they're sucking up the cost of their staff not being in a position to do any work. Maybe Joe Lewis should dip his hand in his pocket for once in his life to help fund those wages, and maybe that's what he should've done for all the furloughed staff. And it's not just Spurs - multi-billionaire owners of all football clubs really have no excuse not to help their staff.
 
Rosler's Mullet said:
Is it just that though bud ?
Working/maintaining an estate encompasses more that just horticultural duties, I'm sure 'ground staff' would include all sorts of maintenance work (actually, I know it does), and as the article says, " as the club attempt to keep employees in work", I'll call him out when I think it's right, and I'd be first in the queue, but if his intentions are honourable, then he gets a pass on this one for me, be interesting to see what said ground staff have to say about it.
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Joe Lewis could keep them all in work by dipping into his vast fortune mate. A couple of million quid to him is equivalent to about 50p to you and I
 
M18CTID said:
Joe Lewis could keep them all in work by dipping into his vast fortune mate. A couple of million quid to him is equivalent to about 50p to you and I
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I'm sure he could mate, but that finger could be pointed at anyone with vast wealth ?
Here, I just think Levy is keeping people close to the club in full employment, when it comes to whether it's essential or not, the government seem to think that maintaining the electricity, gas, water, supplies along with sanitation is one of it's utmost priorities (which it is), he's paying for it out of his own pocket just like anybody else with their own property so he shouldn't be called on that one, if I needed any work doing I would call on lads I know to help keep them ticking over, he's doing nothing different to what I and most other people I know would do.
 
Rosler's Mullet said:
I'm sure he could mate, but that finger could be pointed at anyone with vast wealth ?
Here, I just think Levy is keeping people close to the club in full employment, when it comes to whether it's essential or not, the government seem to think that maintaining the electricity, gas, water, supplies along with sanitation is one of it's utmost priorities (which it is), he's paying for it out of his own pocket just like anybody else with their own property so he shouldn't be called on that one, if I needed any work doing I would call on lads I know to help keep them ticking over, he's doing nothing different to what I and most other people I know would do.
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It could indeed mate, but this is the Spurs thread and Levy has proven himself to be a complete and utter twat over this ever since they furloughed 550 staff. Not that that is any surprise because you can bet that the 2 clubs who would be at the front of the queue to go down the furlough route would be Newcastle and Spurs, and so it proved.

And there's a world of difference between you giving your mates a chance of earning a few quid during such a difficult time and rich football clubs with rich owners and directors expecting their staff to do it, when they can easily afford to keep them at home for a few months
 
M18CTID said:
It could indeed mate, but this is the Spurs thread and Levy has proven himself to be a complete and utter twat over this ever since they furloughed 550 staff. Not that that is any surprise because you can bet that the 2 clubs who would be at the front of the queue to go down the furlough route would be Newcastle and Spurs, and so it proved.

And there's a world of difference between you giving your mates a chance of earning a few quid during such a difficult time and rich football clubs with rich owners and directors expecting their staff to do it, when they can easily afford to keep them at home for a few months
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I'm not excusing any of Spurs decisions during this bud or any made by Levy in relation to that, in this case though it seems Levy has made a personal decision and judgement outside of that, it's a separate issue as far as I can see, the staff he's asked could have always turned it down, and if, and I say IF, it later transpires that if any did, they were then treated differently to those that didn't by Levy, then I would call into question the whole thing, and call him out on it.
 
M18CTID said:
I dunno Jim - you tell me. You know him better than I do ;)

Either way, even his intentions are good I don't see how doing any work on his estate can be classed as essential. Why put anyone at unnecessary risk of catching this virus? The club should just accept that non-furloughed staff get paid their full wages even if it means them being sat at home doing fuck-all while all this is going on. That's what most other high profile clubs are doing - they're sucking up the cost of their staff not being in a position to do any work. Maybe Joe Lewis should dip his hand in his pocket for once in his life to help fund those wages, and maybe that's what he should've done for all the furloughed staff. And it's not just Spurs - multi-billionaire owners of all football clubs really have no excuse not to help their staff.
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There are people all over the country still working in non essential jobs - especially those who work outside and in jobs that don't require them to come anywhere near anyone else at any time.

Government guidelines aren't designed to stop everyone in non essential jobs from working. They're designed to stop those in non essential jobs from travelling in large numbers by public transport (and, to a lesser extent, private vehicles); from gathering in large numbers in small spaces; and from attracting other members of the public to do likewise (shops; bars; cinemas etc). These guidelines have the added benefit of enabling key workers to get to their places of work without being delayed or putting themselves in greater danger of catching the virus.

By the way, apologies that my initial reply was a tad ratty. My annoyance is more with Spurs twitterati and the like who have jumped on this story and deliberately misinterpreted it to further their narrative.
 
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M18CTID said:
It could indeed mate, but this is the Spurs thread and Levy has proven himself to be a complete and utter twat over this ever since they furloughed 550 staff. Not that that is any surprise because you can bet that the 2 clubs who would be at the front of the queue to go down the furlough route would be Newcastle and Spurs, and so it proved.

And there's a world of difference between you giving your mates a chance of earning a few quid during such a difficult time and rich football clubs with rich owners and directors expecting their staff to do it, when they can easily afford to keep them at home for a few months
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To be accurate, Spurs have furloughed some 250 staff. The remainder - those who still have jobs to do - are still being paid by the club but at 80% of normal pay.
 
JimB said:
There are people all over the country still working in non essential jobs - especially those who work outside and in jobs that don't require them to come anywhere near anyone else at any time.

Government guidelines aren't designed to stop everyone in non essential jobs from working. They're designed to stop those in non essential jobs from travelling in large numbers by public transport (and, to a lesser extent, private vehicles); from gathering in large numbers in small spaces; and from attracting other members of the public to do likewise (shops; bars; cinemas etc). These guidelines have the added benefit of enabling key workers to get to their places of work without being delayed or putting themselves in greater danger of catching the virus.

By the way, apologies that my initial reply was a tad ratty. My annoyance is more with Spurs twitterati and the like who have jumped on this story and deliberately misinterpreted it to further their narrative.
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Fair enough. No need to apologise either - you're a good poster....sometimes!
 
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