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Brilliant - I bet Italy are so pleased that the EU have made it possible for their lung specialist to work here while they fight their own covid pandemic. I'm very pro immigration as this country needs it, but this is a fairly shit example to pick.

Our allies in Eastern Europe are fucking delighted all their talent has left for London.
 
Brilliant - I bet Italy are so pleased that the EU have made it possible for their lung specialist to work here while they fight their own covid pandemic. I'm very pro immigration as this country needs it, but this is a fairly shit example to pick.
Our allies in Eastern Europe are fucking delighted all their talent has left for London.

What are you two on?
 
Seems like they're not over enamoured, interesting times.
Lots of divisions shown up by this horrible virus. The fact is the EU utopia failed virtually immediately as soon as the crisis emerged, countries immediately acted unilaterally with virtually no direction from the EU. Just shows what a political waste of time the EU actually is. Now the rich countries don't want to bail out the poorer countries anywhere near what they are requesting as their own economies are going to struggle for a long time to come. Very little solidarity being shown. When the dust settles there will a big inquest and the failings will no doubt be swept under the carpet.
 

Hopefully not extended long enough for us still to be in when the bill lands on the door mat for propping up eastern Europe and the Mediterranean economies. Wed be better off with trade 'friction' and tariffs. There is a case for extending as we need to concentrate on other things, but an equally strong case to get the fuck out before the entire thing comes crashing down.
 
Hopefully not extended long enough for us still to be in when the bill lands on the door mat for propping up eastern Europe and the Mediterranean economies. Wed be better off with trade 'friction' and tariffs. There is a case for extending as we need to concentrate on other things, but an equally strong case to get the fuck out before the entire thing comes crashing down.

I don't think we were part of the latest negotiations for the support package, so presumably we're out of any Covid/EU issues now.
 
Hopefully not extended long enough for us still to be in when the bill lands on the door mat for propping up eastern Europe and the Mediterranean economies. Wed be better off with trade 'friction' and tariffs. There is a case for extending as we need to concentrate on other things, but an equally strong case to get the fuck out before the entire thing comes crashing down.

https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75

Where do we go from here, global cooperation or nationalism? Touched on in the article. Discusses other things and is generally a good read

The cost of 'propping' up V the cost of not doing
 
The EU are knocking out a 500 billion Euro rescue package for the countries affected in the EU by this, I wonder how they are going to divy the cash up?
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I don't think we were part of the latest negotiations for the support package, so presumably we're out of any Covid/EU issues now.

That we are out of anything is I think a fanciful notion going forward. What happens in Europe happens here because we are part of Europe and it’s going to take a coordinated effort to put the continent back on its feet.

It also seems likely that we will be one of the last to come out of lockdown. Several nations have started exit planning with the Germans leading the way on the back of their widespread testing program. The danger here is that it will panic the Govt into doing the same prematurely and without the resources in place to manage the exit resulting in more fatalities and greater economic damage in the long run. Personal view but I think Johnson’s illness and experience may temper the rush to do this.

The EU will be changed and shaped by this, as we all will. What emerges at the end will be down to the member nations who ultimately decide what the EU can and cannot do but it is likely the need to cooperate to mitigate the economic damage will prevail. The UK by necessity will have to be part of that.

Then there is the question of China going forward and the US which is having its own ‘Union’ trauma with the failure of Federal Govt in this crisis driving Western and Eastern States to form ‘mini unions’.

This pandemic is shaping up to be a world changing event. Worrying about the EU and bendy bananas is no longer a luxury we can afford.
 
That we are out of anything is I think a fanciful notion going forward. What happens in Europe happens here because we are part of Europe and it’s going to take a coordinated effort to put the continent back on its feet.

It also seems likely that we will be one of the last to come out of lockdown. Several nations have started exit planning with the Germans leading the way on the back of their widespread testing program. The danger here is that it will panic the Govt into doing the same prematurely and without the resources in place to manage the exit resulting in more fatalities and greater economic damage in the long run. Personal view but I think Johnson’s illness and experience may temper the rush to do this.

The EU will be changed and shaped by this, as we all will. What emerges at the end will be down to the member nations who ultimately decide what the EU can and cannot do but it is likely the need to cooperate to mitigate the economic damage will prevail. The UK by necessity will have to be part of that.

Then there is the question of China going forward and the US which is having its own ‘Union’ trauma with the failure of Federal Govt in this crisis driving Western and Eastern States to form ‘mini unions’.

This pandemic is shaping up to be a world changing event. Worrying about the EU and bendy bananas is no longer a luxury we can afford.

I was referring to the bailout measures as what we wouldn't be part of!

Obvs going forward I think it's madness to pursue economic upheaval of Brexit, but I thought that anyway, and I don't trust the govt to attempt some sort of restructuring with our biggest trade partners before pursuing their usual slogan based nonsense.
 
That we are out of anything is I think a fanciful notion going forward. What happens in Europe happens here because we are part of Europe and it’s going to take a coordinated effort to put the continent back on its feet.

It also seems likely that we will be one of the last to come out of lockdown. Several nations have started exit planning with the Germans leading the way on the back of their widespread testing program. The danger here is that it will panic the Govt into doing the same prematurely and without the resources in place to manage the exit resulting in more fatalities and greater economic damage in the long run. Personal view but I think Johnson’s illness and experience may temper the rush to do this.

The EU will be changed and shaped by this, as we all will. What emerges at the end will be down to the member nations who ultimately decide what the EU can and cannot do but it is likely the need to cooperate to mitigate the economic damage will prevail. The UK by necessity will have to be part of that.

Then there is the question of China going forward and the US which is having its own ‘Union’ trauma with the failure of Federal Govt in this crisis driving Western and Eastern States to form ‘mini unions’.

This pandemic is shaping up to be a world changing event. Worrying about the EU and bendy bananas is no longer a luxury we can afford.
It sounds like the EU is a luxury we can no longer afford tbh. Totally agree that as members of the continent (rather than the union) we have joint interests though. Probably time for all to abandon the frivolous federal project for the greater good.
 
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