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cjn said:
I just told you why it matters. The federal judiciary, after only four years, is already made up nearly 25% of Trump appointees and the Supreme Court will be lost for the next 30-40 years. This isn't difficult. Even if you feel that Biden isn't a progressive, which I don't care and is besides the point, you need him to get elected.

If Trump gets eight years, AOC could get the next 6 terms afterwards and it wouldn't matter because anything big she passed would get held up in the courts forever.
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It doesn't matter how angry you get about things.

The Dems could offer some REAL concession to get Progressives on board, especially if this is going to be a true union.

It won't work to tell them or vote or be blamed. They've been there and done that.

It's down to the Dem leadership now.
 
The perfect fumble said:
If Biden wins I doubt he'll do anything even vaguely progressive, but that's not the point.

Progressives might have given Clinton the cold shoulder, but having experienced four years of Trump, I suspect the prospect of another four under the orange lunatic, will be sufficient incentive, this time around, for them to hold their nose and vote for Biden.
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That might be so for some of the Progressives and it may be enough to drag the Dems over the line, but like you say, they won't get anything for shifting the vote to Biden.

I can certainly see why it's a tough decision.
 
Bigga said:
It doesn't matter how angry you get about things.

The Dems could offer some REAL concession to get Progressives on board, especially if this is going to be a true union.

It won't work to tell them or vote or be blamed. They've been there and done that.

It's down to the Dem leadership now.
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I'm not sure what suggests I'm even remotely angry, I feel pretty good about the election in November actually. Either way, this isn't the thread for this discussion and you're not one for nuance anyway, so we should end it here.
 
Bigga said:
Despite the implication of disliking Biden immensely, I do not like #45, but I can certainly see why any Progressive voter would not support Biden.

And there's a LOT of them.

There's certainly a lot of wriggle room for #45 to operate.

I think it's 50/50 going into Nov, at this point.
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So who would you vote for if you had to choose between the two?
 
Bigga said:
That might be so for some of the Progressives and it may be enough to drag the Dems over the line, but like you say, they won't get anything for shifting the vote to Biden.

I can certainly see why it's a tough decision.
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It's the same shitty trick the right wing inside social democratic/labour movements play here, they sabotage any real progressive candidates and ideas, stick in their establishment frontman, then guilt trip progressives to vote for them, out of fear of the alternative if they don't.
 
Bigga said:
That might be so for some of the Progressives and it may be enough to drag the Dems over the line, but like you say, they won't get anything for shifting the vote to Biden.

I can certainly see why it's a tough decision.
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I might be misunderstanding, but is your point that because Biden beat Bernie, the progressives who want a far left agenda will actually ignore the middle and go spite vote for the far right dipshit just because their guy lost? How does that make any sense?
 
I think Americans have to ask themselves a very simple question in November. “What is the worst than can happen with another 4 years of Trump?” And “What is the worst than can happen with 4 years of Biden?”

If the answer is, something out of their control like let’s say a hypothetical virus. An unknown virus from somewhere far, far away which is ‘just like the flu’ - who out of Trump and Biden would they like to coordinate and effective, coherent and consistent response?

If only we had any evidence of how one or the other would cope......
 
super_city_si said:
I might be misunderstanding, but is your point that because Biden beat Bernie, the progressives who want a far left agenda will actually ignore the middle and go spite vote for the far right dipshit just because their guy lost? How does that make any sense?
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No, I'm saying Progressives feel like they were cheated out of a fair fight by corrupt DEM leadership AND MSM, so they feel like Biden has nothing to offer them.

They feel the same way about #45, so it's most likely that a sum of them will not vote/ write another name or start a third party.

Although, I think some will vote Biden, regretfully.

I have seen evidence of this move already, but it is a split.
 
The perfect fumble said:
It's the same shitty trick the right wing inside social democratic/labour movements play here, they sabotage any real progressive candidates and ideas, stick in their establishment frontman, then guilt trip progressives to vote for them, out of fear of the alternative if they don't.
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How did it work out voting for the progressive lefty in the U.K. GE?
 
Bigga said:
No, I'm saying Progressives feel like they were cheated out of a fair fight by corrupt DEM leadership AND MSM, so they feel like Biden has nothing to offer them.

They feel the same way about #45, so it's most likely that a sum of them will not vote/ write another name or start a third party.

Although, I think some will vote Biden, regretfully.

I have seen evidence of this move already, but it is a split.
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I've replied to this in the Democratic Nomination thread.
 
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