COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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NHS England announced the increase on Wednesday, which takes the total number of hospital COVID-19 deaths in the country to 11,656.

Patients were aged between 20 and 101, and 20 of those (aged 20 to 101) had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for coronavirus.

Scotland recorded another 84 deaths, which was its biggest daily increase to date.

Wales also recorded its highest daily increase with 60, and Northern Ireland recorded another six

Totals
  • England - 11,656
  • Scotland - 699
  • Wales - 463
  • Northern Ireland - 140

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506
 
bluebaja said:
That is very true PC, but it may be that some ethnic groups are more susceptible to serious complications than others. My wife has been working in an ITU, and last week 10 out of 12 patients were of Afro Carribean or Asian background. I don't think anyone has a grip at the moment on why that is, but interestingly that sort of ratio is also reflected in the deaths of Medics in the UK.
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I think that’s true here because the darker your skin at the higher the latitude you live, the less Vitamin D you get (even in the Summer). Vitamin D is a great flighter of respiratory diseases.
 
robbieh said:
This discussion reminds of the speech made by the German priest. 'first they came for the socialists but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a socialist then....'

Everybody should be protected during this time. If we say they are old, they've had their lives, who next? The poor? The immigrant?
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True, but we have to be realistic. If we can't treat everybody, because say we don't have the ventilators, what do we do? The only alternative is first come first served. NTBR status for some elderly has been part of NHS policy since 1948.
 
The National Records of Scotland also revealed on Wednesday that - as of 12 April - almost 25% of 962 registered deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned in the death certificate in Scotland had occurred in care homes.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said deaths outside hospitals would be included in the Scottish government's daily updates from now on, adding that 433 care homes in Scotland had recorded incidents of coronavirus.She said Scotland has moved to now testing all symptomatic patients in care homes

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506
 
Need a few more days to be sure but could be starting to level off, which would be quite ‘good’ considering there was talk we were still two weeks away from the peak.

Fingers crossed.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Let's be honest though, if you are over 60, and/or are not in perfect health - e.g. you are overweight, have diabetes, heart disease, a weakened immune system for whatever reason - and you have not yet had the virus - then you'd be absolutely mad to just start going out to pubs and restaurants as normal straight away. Even if none of the above applies, you are taking a significant unnecessary risk.
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speaking to a friend who owns a a fairly decent sized restaurant he has already flagged the biggest issue facing the restaurant and pub sectors in that even when we have left lockdown, social distancing will probably be around for a year or so.

The calculations he has done on the distance required between tables (2 meters) makes all his calculations based on floor space available that it will never be commercially viable to reopen the restaurant as the achievable covers will be reduced by around 70%. He has decided to mothball the business indefinitely and 12 jobs have just gone with it.
 
karen7 said:
NHS England announced the increase on Wednesday, which takes the total number of hospital COVID-19 deaths in the country to 11,656.

Patients were aged between 20 and 101, and 20 of those (aged 20 to 101) had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for coronavirus.

Scotland recorded another 84 deaths, which was its biggest daily increase to date.

Wales also recorded its highest daily increase with 60, and Northern Ireland recorded another six

Totals
  • England - 11,656
  • Scotland - 699
  • Wales - 463
  • Northern Ireland - 140

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506
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Don'tforget the Scottish figure now includes all deaths from outside hospital from today. Just to add the numbers in hospital and the numbers in ICU in Scotland have fallen over the last few days, slightly.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Relative risk is interesting in this respect though. If you’re under 65 with no significant health risks, dying from this disease in Germany is the same risk as driving, or being driven, 9 miles a day. In Italy it’s 48 miles per day and, given our roads are much safer than Italy’s, I’d imagine that our equivalent is about 21. Maybe we should think about who we encourage to self isolate rather than the enormous damage we are about to do to the economy and all the other associated heath problems that will bring with it?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1.full.pdf
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I'm sorry, but I don't care which numskull has come up with that analysis but it is patently complete and utter bollocks.

The idea that I have as much chance of dying from driving 21 miles a day is patently obviously, absolute nonsense.

Road fatalities in the UK are around 5 per *billion* vehicle miles driven. 1 in every 200 million miles driven. Over the course of a year that would mean doing 21 miles per day give you a 0.0038% chance of being killed. Compared to what, 0.2% for Coronavirus? So just 50 times more likely.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ported-road-casualties-annual-report-2018.pdf
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm sorry, but I don't care which numskull has come up with that analysis but it is patently complete and utter bollocks.

The idea that I have as much chance of dying from driving 21 miles a day is patently obviously, absolute nonsense.

Road fatalities in the UK are around 5 per *billion* vehicle miles driven. 1 in every 200 million miles driven. Over the course of a year that would mean doing 21 miles per day give you a 0.0038% chance of being killed. Compared to what, 0.2% for Coronavirus? So just 50 times more likely.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ported-road-casualties-annual-report-2018.pdf
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Not if you’re under 65 with no severe underlying health conditions.
 
KS55 said:
The focus on shielding the elderly is not about saving their lives. It is to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by older people needing heavy interventionist treatment, as they are much more susceptible to serious condition from the virus.
The NHS now have a scoring system for deciding whether to treat ppl for this virus when resources are thin. If you are over 70, have underlying conditions, take immuno suppressant drugs, or have a compromised immune system, you will get palliative care only and be treated as NTBR, which means you will be let go, no attempt made to keep you alive.
As someone who falls into this category, that is a bit scary.
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I have just asked my IBD nurse about what you have said and he has said its a load of nonesense and just scaremongering. I fall it the immunosuppressed group and they are trying to persuade me to admit myself to hospital. They are ringing me every single day to check my condition.

Now here is the ironic thing. My nurse is telling me you are not correct in what you say. Yet there is no chance I am going into hospital as I am worried what you are saying is correct. I am 41 so not in the higher aged bracket. My instince is stay the fuck well away from hospitals, even though I could be doing myself long term harm.


tolmie's hairdoo said:
And how can it be that I have to rely on people like you, 'johnny', someone who doesn't know me from Adam, to sort me out with some masks for my teacher wife, just so I'm not lying in bed awake all night worrying about her going into teach still each week?

The fact you drove out of your way to drop them on my driveway at my house, stuff like this you don't ever forget.

There are so many people who are being put in harms way, yet without the kindness of others, like on Blue Moon, they are shit outta luck.

Thanks again, bud.
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I would have been fucked without Bluemoon over the last month, it has kept me sane. Some days I have not been able to contribute, but just being able to stay in bed and read what people have said has kept me in contact with the real world.
 
Northernstorirs said:
It wasn't that long a go Cheltenham went ahead.

It wasn't that long a go pubs were open. Mental to think that for a week instructions weren't clear, people were still heading to the pubs and then they allowed for that last Friday night of drinking.
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I agree there should not have gone ahead with Cheltenham but I have not seen any negative data

as I have been to Cheltenham I know a lot of people do the whole thing and stay over and pack the pubs hotels and restaurants for a whole week. Presumably since Cheltenham , the town has had 1000s of cases and 100s of deaths in the town?
 
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