COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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karen7 said:
NHS England announced the increase on Wednesday, which takes the total number of hospital COVID-19 deaths in the country to 11,656.

Patients were aged between 20 and 101, and 20 of those (aged 20 to 101) had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for coronavirus.

Scotland recorded another 84 deaths, which was its biggest daily increase to date.

Wales also recorded its highest daily increase with 60, and Northern Ireland recorded another six

Totals
  • England - 11,656
  • Scotland - 699
  • Wales - 463
  • Northern Ireland - 140

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-651-covid-19-deaths-in-hospitals-in-england-11973506
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Hopefully a positive sign that the death toll is going down but no doubt too early to call yet.
 
Chippy_boy said:
So you're saying anyone under 65 with no underlying health conditions has only a 0.0038% chance of dying if they contract COVID-19. Nonsense.
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I think you have to factor the two things Into the equation to get your percentage of dying

the chances of getting covid In the first instance ; and

having got it the chances of dying of it

that gives you your true risk factor of dying of covid as a healthy under 65
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I think you have to factor the two things Into the equation to get your percentage of dying

the chances of getting covid In the first instance ; and

having got it the chances of dying of it

that gives you your true risk factor of dying of covid as a healthy under 65
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If that's the case then it's flawed logic.

The comparison between this and car accidents is being made in the context of "what are you worrying about, you've as much chance of dying in a car accident". Well that's not true if you catch it, is it. So people are right to reject that comparison and to worry about it.

And it's probably not true in any event. I doubt the risk of dying from COVID-19 is as low as only 0.0038% for anyone. We're running at 0.02% of the whole population being dead already, and we're not even half way through yet. Not by a long chalk.
 
Fame Monster said:
Hopefully a positive sign that the death toll is going down but no doubt too early to call yet.
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pretty much the same as yesterday, I thought.

The number hospitalised will (presumably) have increased, so I would think the death toll will not reduce for a while yet - based on the assumption that the number dying is related to the number ill enough to be hospitalised.
 
Chippy_boy said:
If that's the case then it's flawed logic.

The comparison between this and car accidents is being made in the context of "what are you worrying about, you've as much chance of dying in a car accident". Well that's not true if you catch it, is it. So people are right to reject that comparison and to worry about it.

And it's probably not true in any event. I doubt the risk of dying from COVID-19 is as low as only 0.0038% for anyone. We're running at 0.02% of the whole population being dead already, and we're not even half way through yet. Not by a long chalk.
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Healthy under 65 is 0.02%?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
pretty much the same as yesterday, I thought.

The number hospitalised will (presumably) have increased, so I would think the death toll will not reduce for a while yet - based on the assumption that the number dying is related to the number ill enough to be hospitalised.
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I think the reason I'm very slightly more optimistic is because we normally see a surge in numbers in midweek but that's not happened this week. It could simply be the bank holiday delay but I'm sure we will find out soon enough.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
My kids won't be going back to school until a vaccine or something officially tells me it is safe to do so.

They can try and come for them, I've got a big fucking stick - I work from home and can just as easily home school them with my teacher wife.

It wasn't that long ago they were saying young people weren't getting it.

It wasn't that long ago they were saying for certain that you were immune if had caught it.

It wasn't that long ago they said there was no need to close the schools.

And it wasn't long ago they told me to do the right thing, work hard, save for the future.

Before they told me and my family they were on their own, not entitled to anything.

I'll do what is now right for me and my loved ones.

I don't trust these people the longer it goes on. It physically turns my stomach to hear the Americans leading and pushing the narrative, now being taken up here, that we could now be through the worst of it and we need to rescue the economy.

Bullshit - protect the people first and tear up the rules on the economy.
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Afternoon Tolm; there will be some very interesting decisions for parents and teachers to make, sooner than most people were anticipating. There's a groundswell developing to get children back into schools. Denmark is seen as the model to follow. The Children's Commissioner was on the radio today, saying we have to get children back in asap or it will impact terribly on their learning. I'll tell you what will impact more - having dead parents; having dead teachers. The economy will eventually recover, it will take decades. The dead never return. You're absolutely bang to rights to do what's right for you and yours. I know I will. I'm already in touch with my union as I know they will be on high alert for sending staff back into the unknown. I won't be cannon fodder for anyone. I'm back in school next week, looking after the children who have no choice but to be in; I've zero problem with that and it's doable - we can ensure social distancing. But open the floodgates, let dozens back in and I'll fuck the job off. Not risking my life and that of my kids for anyone.
Take care bud, and no worries at all about masks etc. Happy to help.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I think you have to factor the two things Into the equation to get your percentage of dying

the chances of getting covid In the first instance ; and

having got it the chances of dying of it

that gives you your true risk factor of dying of covid as a healthy under 65
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Most people near the 65 figure have something wrong with them don't they? The underlying health condition notation after death is a bit thin as well, the research online I have done has shown me that heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure are big contributing factors in this virus killing you percentage wise. Obesity has also been mentioned.

Most people I know have what's classed as underlying conditions so they'd be very wary of contracting the virus, it's a bit like Russian roulette bud.
 
robbieh said:
This discussion reminds of the speech made by the German priest. 'first they came for the socialists but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a socialist then....'

Everybody should be protected during this time. If we say they are old, they've had their lives, who next? The poor? The immigrant?
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To be fair they have built several temporary hospitals which e will not really be used
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Healthy under 65 is 0.02%?
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Is that a statement or a question?

I am merely saying that so far 0.02% of the population has died. Of course the % of healthy under 65's will be much lower but we haven't finished yet.

And anyway, this a red herring - if you catch this, then the odds are obviously MUCH higher.
 
mexico1970 said:
Most people near the 65 figure have something wrong with them don't they? The underlying health condition notation after death is a bit thin as well, the research online I have done has shown me that heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure are big contributing factors in this virus killing you percentage wise. Obesity has also been mentioned.

Most people I know have what's classed as underlying conditions so they'd be very wary of contracting the virus, it's a bit like Russian roulette bud.
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I know it is and individually you can choose to do more to protect yourself . Just because shops open doesn’t mean people have to go.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I know it is and individually you can choose to do more to protect yourself . Just because shops open doesn’t mean people have to go.
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I agree with that but the issue I raised with you is that nobody seems to know what the underlying causes are, if this lockdown is genuinely limiting the spread of the virus then coming out of lockdown will cause death rates to soar wouldn't they?
If there are more cases (I am just guessing here) then the "Not at risk" members of the population are putting everyone else at risk just by living their lives as normal.

So until the powers that be get a handle on this we should very much err on the side of caution no?
 
mexico1970 said:
I agree with that but the issue I raised with you is that nobody seems to know what the underlying causes are, if this lockdown is genuinely limiting the spread of the virus then coming out of lockdown will cause death rates to soar wouldn't they?
If there are more cases (I am just guessing here) then the "Not at risk" members of the population are putting everyone else at risk just by living their lives as normal.

So until the powers that be get a handle on this we should very much err on the side of caution no?
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The numbers of healthy young people dying of this are tiny. This virus is dangerous to the elderly and those with health issues. So when the lockdown is released those in the vulnerable groups should continue to be shielded. Everyone else should continue to take sensible precautions.
 
mexico1970 said:
I agree with that but the issue I raised with you is that nobody seems to know what the underlying causes are, if this lockdown is genuinely limiting the spread of the virus then coming out of lockdown will cause death rates to soar wouldn't they?
If there are more cases (I am just guessing here) then the "Not at risk" members of the population are putting everyone else at risk just by living their lives as normal.

So until the powers that be get a handle on this we should very much err on the side of caution no?
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yes of course , but we need to have one eye on the longer term economic consequences

Lock down until end of May fine longer and it’s going to be carnage on the other side

we are paying 80% of people salaries at the moment that is quite a lot of the country . This isn’t just small businesses doing this

football clubs, banks , law firms and accountants are all taking advantage of this

the country can do this for a limited period of time it cannot so this for 6 / 12 months

so at some stage we have to start thinking of a slow return to normal like a lot of other countries are starting to now do .
 
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