COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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karen7 said:
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foreign office say we at not in EU scheme but you (hancock) say we are,who is right? Hancock says we have joined but they are providing no PPE


Allowing people to come into the country and not testing them on arrival,why not?

People can become infected before they get on a long haul flight but test negative getting off the flight,so it is difficult,Transmission is still between people already here

Closing of closing veterans helpline? Will look into it

NHS staff threatened with being punished for speaking out,will you look at this? People should be able to talk about it freely

ONS suggesting death toll higher by 40%,is the plan working? Hancock refutes that figure due to way deaths are recorded,the international comparisons depend on population and other things,learning good and bad from other countries

The plan was to bring the curve down,it has flattened,stop the NHS being overwhelmed has been done,still a vaccine to find but the core plan has worked,still more to do
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My reading of the Hancock / EU procurement issue is that he gave the go ahead to be part of the scheme and then was overruled (maybe by No.10 / Bojo but maybe by the Cabinet Office / Gove).

Hancock has been briefed against by 10 Downing Street so he may well be making it clear that he supported being part of the procurement exercise. The EU procurement exercise hasn’t delivered any PPE yet (according to Hancock) so it’s hard to know whether this will turn out to have any or much significance in terms of tackling the virus.
 
Every death is a tragedy I think we can all agree on that however, looking at league tables on deaths from the world at this stage should be discouraged. If what scientist are telling us then we have to expect waves of this horrible virus returning multiple times as lockdown cannot last for ever. I don't think we can gauge what the right or wrong approach to this is until a year or so down the line (see Sweden), as Marvin's excellent analogy says this is a Marathon not a sprint lets see where the league table (which is a horrible way of looking at it) looks like 12-24 Month's down the line.
 
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A few countries have already stopped their trials,i did notice the last couple of nights he has not been pushing it like he was,he was very irresponsible
Tim of the Oak said:
My reading of the Hancock / EU procurement issue is that he gave the go ahead to be part of the scheme and then was overruled (maybe by No.10 / Bojo but maybe by the Cabinet Office / Gove).

Hancock has been briefed against by 10 Downing Street so he may well be making it clear that he supported being part of the procurement exercise. The EU procurement exercise hasn’t delivered any PPE yet (according to Hancock) so it’s hard to know whether this will turn out to have any or much significance in terms of tackling the virus.
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I detect a split in the camp,the foreign office man that said it is clarifing his remarks about now.i believe it was a political decision to do with not being see to be in with the EU,that is for the other thread though
 
karen7 said:
A few countries have already stopped their trials,i did notice the last couple of nights he has not been pushing it like he was,he was very irresponsible

I detect a split in the camp,the foreign office man that said it is clarifing his remarks about now.i believe it was a political decision to do with not being see to be in with the EU,that is for the other thread though
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I should have sold my four packs of Chloroquine when they were worth a few quid lol.

Re. the EU procurement exercise, Sir Simon McDonald would have known that it was a political decision as his UKRep team are responsible for informing Brussels whether or not we would be participating or not. I can’t see it being an admin error but maybe the EU have left it too late anyway to source the kit we needed.
 
i8rags said:
He said, this normally takes years ( funding issues) now it’s months
We need 68 million
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Not me. I've had COVID-19 thanks. The only way I'll have the vaccine is if the working immunity test for me comes up -ve.
I'll have next years top up though.
 
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Not only do I have to isolate I have to shield now what ever that means:( the way the consultant was talking to me before on the phone we’re going no where this side of xmas
 
The President of the Royal College of Physicians is calling for an end to the anti immigrant “narrative”, with so many international nurses and doctors risking their lives in the NHS
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I was about to post this : https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1

I literally just read it.

Tonights press conference should be interesting.

Of course it's only one study and not peer reviewed yet but it's the first data after the initial Chinese and French reports from weeks ago that claimed benefit.
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Just in case anyone wanted the verbatim conclusions text from the study abstract:

“CONCLUSIONS: In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.”
 
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