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Gaylord du Bois said:
Back then. No radio. No TV. No phone. No broadband. Just the newspapers and word of mouth.
Recently found out my great uncle, on my fathers side, succumbed to it, aged 2 years and 9 months in October 1918. Also found the only photo of the little lad. The thing with the flu was it didn't discriminate.
Two graves down was a woman aged 33 who'd died on the same day. It must've been brutal back then.
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My great aunt died in 1925 aged 23 (childbirth). We discovered she had been buried at Moston in a grave belonging to her husband's family and there were 4 others buried there, aged from early 20s to mid 40s and they all died in 1918 within about 12 weeks of each other. I've always wondered if they had the Spanish Flu.
 
mackenzie said:
My great aunt died in 1925 aged 23 (childbirth). We discovered she had been buried at Moston in a grave belonging to her husband's family and there were 4 others buried there, aged from early 20s to mid 40s and they all died in 1918 within about 12 weeks of each other. I've always wondered if they had the Spanish Flu.
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That'll be probably be it. I think you'd be able to trace that through public records. Sad times then as now. It's unimaginable how difficult it must have been back then though.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
That'll be probably be it. I think you'd be able to trace that through public records. Sad times then as now. It's unimaginable how difficult it must have been back then though.
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It was either that or TB. Some families back then were rife with it. Nearly every one of my Dublin lot died with it.
Like you say, life was difficult back then and often short and brutal :-(
 
twosips said:
It would have still had plenty of capacity if they'd locked down earlier, and less admissions too, so not sure what the capacity thing has to do with it.
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It's not just about lives, it's about the economy as well.

We could have locked down a fortnight before we did and saved a lot of lives but also lost a lot of money in the process.

That's unfortunately the hard decisions that have to be made. Getting a balance between those infected and keeping the country going.

I also don't think they could've locked down much earlier because the public wouldn't have taken the lockdown as seriously. Maybe 5 days before they did but not before. In hindsight I think they probably got it about spot on.
 
i8rags said:
You been tested
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Nope. Never quite got bad enough. The symptoms diminished overnight on two occasions when I was going to be sent for assessment the next day if they were the same or worse. 3 bouts too over 2 and 1/2 weeks. Cough and Lungs, Kidneys/Liver /Bowel/Head and then Bowel/Liver. All preceded by the mildest of sore throats.
A rushed vaccine sounds risky to me when I should have antibodies by the bucket full. I'll only have it if I need it.
 
i8rags said:
You don’t think science has improved since the thalidomide scandal. Beyond belief
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No short cuts will be allowed in testing any covid 19 vaccine.
The full protocol will be observed.
Even if they find one it won’t be ready for approval in 2020.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
No short cuts will be allowed in testing any covid 19 vaccine.
The full protocol will be observed.
Even if they find one it won’t be ready for approval in 2020.
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Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is “80% confident” the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is “80% confident” the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September
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The chap from there said with a fair wind and no complications they might be able to get out a million or so doses by autumn but not a massive scale for a year,still good news though
 
denislawsbackheel said:
again sadly not true.
Phase 1 trials can take from months to 1 year.
Phase 2 trials can take from months to 2 years.
Phase 3 trials can take from months to 3 years.

They will not cut corners in any phase until they are sure.

it will NOT be ready by September.
It will not be manufactured until it is approved.
It will take months more to produce it in the billions of doses needed.
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I agree that the timing seems very short.

I think some of that is based on it being a known, tested agent for a different condition, so some of it has been done. Manufacturing is not going to be quick, as you say, although anything that works will surely be licensed out to other companies to make.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is “80% confident” the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September
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Potential good news but the September deadline is subject to a few major caveats.
Lots of teams around the world doing the same thing so hopefully somebody will make the breakthrough.
 
from The Times today
"Both critics and advocates of lockdowns have found ammunition in the Swedish experience. On the one hand, there is some early evidence that the government may have spared the economy some of the damage inflicted by stricter shutdowns in other countries.

By the start of April less than 6 per cent of its workforce had filed claims for unemployment benefits, compared with more than 14 per cent in Norway.

Forecasters predict that Sweden’s GDP will decline by about 6 per cent between the start of April and the end of June, while Germany’s is expected to fall by nearly 10 per cent and Britain’s by as much as 35 per cent.

On the other hand, Sweden has been much harder hit by Covid-19 than any other Nordic country. Adjusted for population size, Sweden’s coronavirus death rate is nearly six times as high as Finland’s. It has also had more patients in intensive care than the three other Scandinavian states put together."
 
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