COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Marvin said:
Because of what's not occurring in the UK: mass-testing. They could do it if they want but choose not to.

USA now targets their clusters and tests them and takes the heat out of them. This is what South Korea do. It works. What it doesn't do of course is give you immunity and therein possibly lies the answer as to why the UK epidemic is persistent.

How the epidemic grows is as much a function of what we do as it is of the characteristics of the virus.
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I believe there is another mechanism that will knock it down to around 0.5. I'm sure you can guess what I think it is.
 
BBC News second headline of the midday news:

“the government’s scientific advisors look set to say the public should not wear medical face masks but should feel free to cover their faces with scarves”

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I note the results of the trial are due in May, is there anything currently which suggests real genuine optimism regarding success or likewise anything which would maybe advise a bit more caution for the time being?

Eg the Oxford uni trials on one hand they are supposed to be 80% confident their vaccine will be a success come the autumn but other scientists and experts are saying to treat these estimates with caution, is there a similar thought process for this particular trial?
 
bellbuzzer said:
My area, Trafford, seems to be pretty good on the distancing, borne out by the figures for new cases dropping , yesterday was in fact single figures. The reluctance of the government to admit the virus was transmitting by air, and that hand-washing was all-important, will be a major part of any investigation..... (hopefully)
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The BBC produced a documentary study two years ago showing the difference between how a virus spreads when hand washing is high and hand washing is low. It predicted about ¼ fewer people would contract a virus if hand washing was thorough and frequent.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Have you seen how packed the Mets are pre- and post-game?
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I think you missed the earlier distinction. At the match, on crowded public transport to the match, you are close to a limited number of people, and all will (by then) be wearing masks. In a crowded pub, people are coming and going - you could pass or be passing dozens of people in an hour, and drinking through a mask is a little difficult.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I note the results of the trial are due in May, is there anything currently which suggests real genuine optimism regarding success or likewise anything which would maybe advise a bit more caution for the time being?

Eg the Oxford uni trials on one hand they are supposed to be 80% confident their vaccine will be a success come the autumn but other scientists and experts are saying to treat these estimates with caution, is there a similar thought process for this particular trial?
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Read this earlier. Now they can't be certain due to it being a placebo based trial as well, but some doctors are reporting/hoping that there's encouraging signs.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...lu2vxs2AtigFzG-BJ5Nzh1r9_bo?cid=share_twitter
 
spanishblue said:
Now into six weeks here in Spain I know it's slowing but still a lot of new cases and lockdown is being enforced vigorously here ( SOME POLICE VIDEO TO VIGOROUS ) how can it still be climbing.
My theory is its surviving in the atmosphere ?
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Yes track and trace needs to start ASAP.
Yet, as soon as Face coverings were introduced the infection rate started to fall in Italy, Spain and Saxony. Whether this is causation or correlation is a moot point but we are at a point where we have to try it as well.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
BBC News second headline of the midday news:

“the government’s scientific advisors look set to say the public should not wear medical face masks but should feel free to cover their faces with scarves”

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That won't fucking work. It's all or nothing. Everyone has to cover their faces with cloth when they're out and about.
Pathetic.
SAGE have no fucking common sense whatsoever
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
BBC News second headline of the midday news:

“the government’s scientific advisors look set to say the public should not wear medical face masks but should feel free to cover their faces with scarves”

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Because there’s a shortage of masks and are needed more in hospitals and care homes, Not some twat driving in his car wearing it.
 
Marvin said:
A drug treatment might actually only be days away from being announced, but by the same token hopes could just as well be dashed (Remdesivir clinical trial results imminent).

At the moment fear dominates but the virus is going to more or less disappear from some of the European countries if they continue mass testing which I am sure they will. Then questions will be asked here. This is not like it was in January and February. You can now station 5 minute testing kits at airports and transport hubs. We will shortly be able to test for antibodies and those people who have had it can go back to work. The positives of which there are many are just not being identified or pursued and leveraged here in the UK.

The UK is playing the long game fearing and wave but with surveillance testing, I really don't see a 2nd wave hitting Europe, or the US. If mass immunity is a realistic target then it might be worth pursuing even if it will cost a significant lives in the short term as it will provide a guarantee in the long term but at the moment there is no evidence that this is workable.
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I know you are not specifically advocating this but am curious about this strategy - general consensus is that we are currently at approx 3-5% infection rates and we need to get to 80% for herd immunity, how do we make the quantum leap to that number or even 60% without a second/third/fourth waves? Based on the current time lines with just social distancing/masks etc you would be looking at a few years minimum or do we just drop it all and go full throttle for H.I.? even selective isolation programmes would cause a huge burden on the frontline as we now have a much better idea as to how many people outside the 'at risk' group are contracting this further to when the initial statements were made on H.I.

This is all assuming that we even develop effective and durable immunity; there is also developing data that many survivors that have had invasive and non invasive treatment are being left with secondary effects from the virus - I would suggest that this data on these survivors needs to be studied in greater depth to make sure we are not opening up a Pandora box for the future.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
“the government’s scientific advisors look set to say the public should not wear medical face masks but should feel free to cover their faces with scarves”
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They've basically said that it's useful only if somebody is coughing and spluttering but I've heard numerous scientists say that the virus spreads when a person speaks. I don't understand why the UK science throughout this crisis has been so different to most other countries.
 
BlueAnorak said:
That won't fucking work. It's all or nothing. Everyone has to cover their faces with cloth when they're out and about.
Pathetic.
SAGE have no fucking common sense whatsoever
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We don’t have the masks to do ‘all’. Where are the masks coming from? Even the frontline doesn’t have enough. They’re not going to distribute them to the public when they could be on the front line. Putting cloth over your mouth and nose isn’t the absolute best scenario, but it will be better than nothing if you have it. You’d be less likely to spread it with something over your face than nothing at all.
 
Marvin said:
The media keep repeating that if a vaccine is produced it will take months to mass produce it but this is not the case in respect of the mRNA vaccines.
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A Vaccine has to be tested, it has to be proved to actually work, it has to be proved not to do something unexpected, then it has to be reproduced in mass volume, the CMO said yesterday, unlikely in a calender year, and trials have barely started yet.
 
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