COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Yep, but weirdly, even that still works and helps some people. And an intravenous placebo has more effect than one in pill form.

Even more weirdly, they still show some effect even when people are told they are only placebos.

Very odd.

The mind is a powerful thing,it can convince you of anything

 

[SWP's back]

,placebo have no effect at all

• a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
• a measure designed merely to humour or placate someone

It has no chemical effect but does have a physiological effect in a good number.

 

[Nellies left peg]

In other words no better than nothing,the point being they took the word of the companies who made them that they worked,some kind of self certificate or something like that so they could rush them out ,we brought a couple of millions from china that turned out to be useless when we tried to verify them by testing them

Like my windproof lighter I bought on amazon for lighting my blowtorch for work. Might have been better banging my knob against the kerb

Yep, but weirdly, even that still works and helps some people. And an intravenous placebo has more effect than one in pill form.

Even more weirdly, they still show some effect even when people are told they are only placebos.

Very odd.

The mind is an incredibly powerful tool. Positive thoughts can help you through a multitude of things.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Hancock in responding, implied that visitors to UK when lockdown eased would likely face quarantine measures.

The questioner asked why policy would change then from current situation?

He replied stating, at lockdown easing date the circa 150,000 visitors each week would proportionately be a more significant risk then, as our level of infection would have lowered. However, what i don't understand from that reply is that when our level of infection was at its lowest, eg at the start, when numbers of visitors flying in was @ highest,we didnt introduce quarantine measures at that time, presumably on same scientific advise?

I raised this point earlier today.
It's a tricky one but I think the government is seriously underestimating and not addressing the travel industry in this crisis

Yes some checks will need to be done but if they insist for example that if you've been to tenerife for a week in say September, that you would then quarantine for 2 weeks then simply people wont book and the industry will collapse.
Maybe a health passport but quarantine for holiday makers would not work and the travel industry will be gone.

 

[kaz7]

It has no chemical effect but does have a physiological effect in a good number.

In the context of tests,there is nothing in there that is going give you any result at all so it is a placebo in the truest form ,it does this..

• a measure designed merely to humour or placate someone

And is only useful for this

used as a control in testing new drugs

It is a scam that lots of are doing,we got caught out as did spain and the Americans in a rush to be the first got caught out the most

 

[SWP's back]

In the context of tests,there is nothing in there that is going give you any result at all so it is a placebo in the truest form ,it does this..

• a measure designed merely to humour or placate someone

And is only useful for this

used as a control in testing new drugs

It is a scam that lots of are doing,we got caught out as did spain and the Americans in a rush to be the first got caught out the most

Ok a couple of things. Placebos aren’t useless and their effects have been documented for centuries:

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/what-is-the-placebo-effect

2) A test can never be a placebo.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Hancock in responding, implied that visitors to UK when lockdown eased would likely face quarantine measures.

The questioner asked why policy would change then from current situation?

He replied stating, at lockdown easing date the circa 150,000 visitors each week would proportionately be a more significant risk then, as our level of infection would have lowered. However, what i don't understand from that reply is that when our level of infection was at its lowest, eg at the start, when numbers of visitors flying in was @ highest,we didnt introduce quarantine measures at that time, presumably on same scientific advise?

As to waving passengers through airports, then as I understand it, I believe SAGE thought it would only delay the virus surge by a couple of weeks, a month at most and delaying it too long could move a possible secondary spike back into winter making the situation then worse.
It was either a comment in the Whitty interview earlier in the week or maybe a newsnight discussion with various virologists.
They were very fatalistic as to keeping the virus under control a few months back.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So as I understand it, the flatlining (maybe a slight decline) in positive tests at 4300+ is due to increased testing picking up those who never got tested till recently as they were not seriously ill.
The figure we should be looking at to calculate The current Repoduction factor is hospital admissions as this will have not changed from more testing.

 

[blueparrot]

So as I understand it, the flatlining (maybe a slight decline) in positive tests at 4300+ is due to increased testing picking up those who never got tested till recently as they were not seriously ill.
The figure we should be looking at to calculate The current Repoduction factor is hospital admissions as this will have not changed from more testing.

Hospital admissions fairly encouraging.Think it was over 19,000 at one point.


“
Chris Whitty talks through the latest data on new cases and hospitalisations which he says are broadly encouraging.,

New cases are broadly flat or falling while over the last week the number of people in hospital with the virus has fallen by 16% to 15,712. He says there are variations around the UK, with numbers falling quicker in London faster than elsewhere”

 

[paulchapo]

Interesting piece here.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...art-of-pandemic-says-genetics-expert-11979580

 

[kaz7]

Ok a couple of things. Placebos aren’t useless and their effects have been documented for centuries:

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/what-is-the-placebo-effect

2) A test can never be a placebo.

Placebos are not always useless,sometimes they are and nothing happens at all

In ref to the tests not being real,you can change out my placebo word if you want and put in another one that means the same thing :)

 

[domalino]

Like my windproof lighter I bought on amazon for lighting my blowtorch for work. Might have been better banging my knob against the kerb

The mind is an incredibly powerful tool. Positive thoughts can help you through a multitude of things.

See also - optimists likely to live longer than pessimists.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190826150700.htm

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Placebos are not always useless,sometimes they are and nothing happens at all

In ref to the tests not being real,you can change out my placebo word if you want and put in another one that means the same thing :)

placebo are a cracking band. Much underrated.

 

[Marvin]

Nicotine trial to start in France. Follows claims that smokers are underrepresented in deaths.

It's gone quiet on the therapeutic front. It doesn't appear that there are any highly effective drugs being utilised otherwise there would have been some noise?

 

[SWP's back]

placebo are a cracking band. Much underrated.

Loved Teenage Angst from the film Cruel Intentions.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Loved Teenage Angst from the film Cruel Intentions.

That was my entrance theme, used to share it with bob back in the day.

 

[Fat Chance]

Perception of placebo turns on immune system....fear turns immune off

 

[BlueAnorak]

With the caveat that as there is more capacity they may now be admitting cases who previously they didn't.

Indeed.
It just goes to show how shit the daily published UK COVID-19 stats are.
No hospital admission numbers
No ICU admission numbers
No ICU ventilator numbers
No live exit from ICU numbers
No hospital discharges.

 

[Fame Monster]

Daily briefing

Question from the public each day now as well k,selected independently

Tests done. 719,910

Yesterday 37,024

Looks like we're pretty much at the stage Germany was at at the start of their outbreak with regards to testing. Hopefully, the second wave will be a lot less lethal now we've got the means to carry out contact tracing, added to the fact that so many people have probably already had it anyway so that should slow the spread.

 

[BlueAnorak]

There's an ICNARC report on COVID-19 for April 24th. No handy table at the end though this time. Just the graphs.
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c5a62b13-6486-ea11-9125-00505601089b