COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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This is a sobering report for people moaning about our Government under counting Corona Virus deaths and taking other Countries figures as the Gospel.
 
robbieh said:
A lot of talk about Germany, Sweden.

But Greece have kept the number of dead down to 136.
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India are also bucking the trend, could it be that the hotter weather does actually prevent the virus from spreading? The hotter countries certainly don’t have as many cases and there was a US study last week saying that sunlight killed it in seconds. Fingers crossed it bodes well for Europe with summer around the corner.
 
this has very likely been mentioned here before, but for the UK death stats "“The figures shown are deaths in NHS services of patients who have had a positive test result for Covid-19… deaths of people who have had a positive test for Covid-19 could in some cases be due to a different cause.”

So, is this the case across all countries? or do some only report where Covid was the cause? it still feels like information is very blurry a few months in

EDIT: somebody elsewhere suggested excess death stats are the best way to judge covid's impacts
 
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shemnel said:
this has very likely been mentioned here before, but for the UK death stats "“The figures shown are deaths in NHS services of patients who have had a positive test result for Covid-19… deaths of people who have had a positive test for Covid-19 could in some cases be due to a different cause.”
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Not sure where you've got that information from but it doesn't tally with an experience our family has had.

The wife's cousin died a couple of weeks ago. She was very poorly anyway and probably only had months left at best. She died from massive organ failure brought on by having a ragingly high temperature.

The docs ran a Covid-19 test on her which came back as inconclusive. Even so, Covid-19 was listed as a contributory factor on the death certificate.
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shemnel said:
this has very likely been mentioned here before, but for the UK death stats "“The figures shown are deaths in NHS services of patients who have had a positive test result for Covid-19… deaths of people who have had a positive test for Covid-19 could in some cases be due to a different cause.”

So, is this the case across all countries? or do some only report where Covid was the cause? it still feels like information is very blurry a few months in
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Apparently in Germany they record deaths by covid as those who have died of covid or the main cause of death is covid .

you would think between countries like the U.K. , USA , Germany France and other western countries we would have a common formula but I don’t think they do .

I also think the WHO said to record deaths as hospital deaths but (rightly) we now include deaths outside of hospital like care homes .

Do other countries ?
 

the text i quoted was from a few weeks ago from the Department of Health, but i cant find that direct quote anymore, i think it's slightly changed to "The figures currently shown for England are deaths in NHS-commissioned services of patients who have tested positively for COVID-19."
 
shemnel said:
the text i quoted was from a few weeks ago from the Department of Health, but i cant find that direct quote anymore, i think it's slightly changed to "The figures currently shown for England are deaths in NHS-commissioned services of patients who have tested positively for COVID-19."
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There is a brief description on the bottom of the daily tracker slide is that what you have seen?
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Just a question about recording or how they define "underlying conditions".

Does this include those who are walking timebombs as well as those with documented medical conditions?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Apparently in Germany they record deaths by covid as those who have died of covid or the main cause of death is covid .

you would think between countries like the U.K. , USA , Germany France and other western countries we would have a common formula but I don’t think they do .

I also think the WHO said to record deaths as hospital deaths but (rightly) we now include deaths outside of hospital like care homes .

Do other countries ?
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This was my point the other day when discussing the ranting by various media organisations and muppets like Piers Morgan - even if we do our reporting correctly you can’t compare to other countries as they aren’t doing the same.

In general terms, this virus kills at the same rates so will pretty much be doing same damage everywhere it goes, bar the odd strange anomaly.
 
shemnel said:
this has very likely been mentioned here before, but for the UK death stats "“The figures shown are deaths in NHS services of patients who have had a positive test result for Covid-19… deaths of people who have had a positive test for Covid-19 could in some cases be due to a different cause.”

So, is this the case across all countries? or do some only report where Covid was the cause? it still feels like information is very blurry a few months in

EDIT: somebody elsewhere suggested excess death stats are the best way to judge covid's impacts
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I found this really useful from FT other day, also shows how hard Cities have been hit further down. I think it’s a lot better way of comparing than just basic death count.

Worth noting that the Italy’s data is just for a subset of the country, not sure why.

 
Claytop said:
I found this really useful from FT other day, also shows how hard Cities have been hit further down. I think it’s a lot better way of comparing than just basic death count.

Worth noting that the Italy’s data is just for a subset of the country, not sure why.

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thanks, that's very interesting
 
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