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We’ve never been close to capacity in equipment or staff so can’ t see why ICU capacity has anything to do with any difference in results. Is there a difference in numbers testing positive and those ending up in icu or even hospital would be a better place to start.

We're having a lot of staff who don't normally work in ICU and don't know how to operate some of the ICU machinery working there in certain hospitals. I think the BMA said this was a possible issue in the treatment of COVID, and there was a good documentary on Channel 4 the other day that lightly touched on this issue. That may explain a small difference.
 
My daughter ("Care of the Elderdly" registrar) tells me the most common cause of death for dementia patients is stress from confusion. Not having regular visitors is very confussing for them. She isn't suprised by the dementia death figures at all.
Sorry, I could've been more specific. The Covid symptoms they've shown aren't being included on certificates. That's because they're not being tested and if there's no test there's no obligation to write it up. It goes down as viral pneumonia or something like that.
 
over 80% of Germans healthcare system is private , so it would not be popular here .

I don't think that's right.

Health insurance is mandatory for all citizens and permanent residents of Germany. It is provided by two systems, namely: 1) competing, not-for-profit, nongovernmental health insurance funds (“sickness funds”—there were 118 as of January 20161) in the statutory health insurance (SHI) system; and 2) substitutive private health insurance (PHI). States own most university hospitals, while municipalities play a role in public health activities and own about half of all hospital beds. However, the various levels of government have virtually no role in the direct financing or delivery of health care. To a large degree, regulation is delegated to self-governing associations within sickness funds and provider associations, which are together represented by the most important body, the Federal Joint Committee.

In 2015, 8.8 million people were covered through substitutive private health insurance.
 
It does when the hostpital covers a massive population area.
Devon STP which has the fewest deaths per 100,000 has an estimated population of 1.2m. Black Country and West B'ham STP with the highest number of deaths has a population of 1.4m. Slightly larger population but around 10 times more deaths which kind of defeats your argument. And Birmingham & Solihull STP has a population of 1.3m and again has nearly ten times the amount of deaths.
 
They're testing people with milder symptoms.

I understand that bud but it doesn't explain how they have kept the numbers so low, what are they doing so differently to everyone else to manage the death rate? Have they shielded their gen pop better or have they managed better outcomes in hospitals.
 
I think Germany had 1 single advantage - lab capacity - when we were able to test a lot in a very early stage.

This advantage has gone now. In a 2nd wave like anybody else we would face many multi-local outbreaks which we won't be able to trace back and contain in that numbers, or at least it would take much longer and ICU capacities would be tested more severely. Is my guess.
 
It is not about the place,it is about how they decide it is covid ,when I talked about this ages ago I made the point that it won't be accurate without testing them pre or post mortum,at the beginning deaths would have been expected deaths esp in those with COPD etc and imo gone down as that at not the virus,it might be more accurate now but certainly not feb/march time
The number of excess deaths against the yearly average will be the same regardless of how you slice and dice the excess.
 
Seems France are moving forward with some easing of restrictions on the 11th of May, Metro will be run at 70% of the capacity, Primary schools opening, secondary schools too although pupils there will have to wear a face mask.
 
No doubt the German people will be holding their government to account for mistakes just as we should.

well according to our news we in the UK are the only ones who are having PPE issues and other countries are often held up as having no issues whatsoever with hospitals , death rates, or PPE , like errrm Germany.

at times you would think the Covid pandemic affects only the UK and that only we , nobody else is in the world , is seeking PPE at the same time as us, like for example the Germans.

you would also think it is something that happens each year for the last 30 years and so why wouldn’t we have all this in stock ?

what is particularly weird is everything is flipping on its head, the guardian run that story which probably helped the government whereas the telegraph and piers Morgan are slamming the government daily.

Worlds gone bonkers.
 
Everyone has to have health insurance. For low to middle income it's statutory and costs about 15% of your salary shared 50/50 with employer. For higher earners they can choose private or stay with the state and pay a bit more.

thanks and as I understand it that’s the funding , the treatment itself is largely provided by private hospitals funded by these insurance schemes.
 
I think Germany had 1 single advantage - lab capacity - when we were able to test a lot in a very early stage.

This advantage has gone now. In a 2nd wave like anybody else we would face many multi-local outbreaks which we won't be able to trace back and contain in that numbers, or at least it would take much longer and ICU capacities would be tested more severely. Is my guess.

It is emerging that the level of infection within the UK was already incredibly high so track and trace would have been almost impossible anyway as to do so successfully the numbers infected along with the capacity to test has to be extremely low.
 
I specified Feb because there were fewer all cause deaths in england than the average for the previous 5 years and no Covid deaths so the answer to that question is easy.
We have a really mild winter,i haven't put the central heating on once,up til March i hadn't heard anything about a huge amount of flu going around,you can't take from the headline figure who died from what,it might have been a much lower figure for flu and the related pneumonia deaths etc from that,i wouldn't expect in Feb outside of hospital without testing any deaths out down to the virus
i have made my point clear about the reporting of Deaths early on in care homes,i got battered for it at the time,going on the criteria for putting deaths down to the virus a couple of pages ago I very much doubt we are getting total accurate numbers now

This is why I never go on bald stats
 
saw that the fucking Tories have a lot to answer for.

Also saw this today from a couple weeks ago regarding care homes in Germany. Pretty critical article on their response.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/10/care-a10.html

‘According to figures from the Registered Doctors’ Association in Bavaria, 244 practices in this federal state alone are closed—141 due to quarantine, 82 due to a lack of PPE, and 21 due to a lack of clinic staff.’
 
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