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Gelsons Dad said:
Pointless polling when the message is stay at home. This is actually a poll of how well the current messaging has worked and I would say by the result that it's worked very well.

The messaging has only just changed to we have passed the peak despite the peak being the 8th April so give it a couple more weeks of good news messaging + time to put the economy back on track after a couple of weeks and the results will be very different.
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Home thoughts from abroad are such beautiful poetry.
Thank you for your kind words.
 
MCFC_ Phil said:
Our Govt quite rightly knew that with the Chavs we have here we could not keep a lockdown as long as Spain. We did it at the last minute possible,to allow for the longest time. It still not may be enough. We've got at least a full month of the same lockdown IMO (with a few tweaks here and there, bit for the majority, the same)
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People always say that it will be the chavs ignoring the lockdown. From what I have seen where I live it is older people that seem to think the rules don't apply to them. Not seen any groups of young uns.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
They're not facts though. They are the deaths that have been reported by those countries but, as we know, different countries report in different ways and perhaps some are less 'reliable' in their reporting than others.
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This idea that somehow those pesky Europeans are not to be trusted just won't die will it.

You vote Brexit by any chance?
 
robbieh said:
This idea that somehow those pesky Europeans are not to be trusted just won't die will it.

You vote Brexit by any chance?
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I wasn't referring to the European states on the list (other than that some report in different ways).

The less 'reliable' ones I suspect are elsewhere (I was thinking particularly of Iran and China).
 
Len Rum said:
Home thoughts from abroad are such beautiful poetry.
Thank you for your kind words.
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Bazzmand Show said:
Lets see what happens, if cases surge again in Europe we are back to square one.

I think a shitload of hard work has been one, I don't think people want to risk undoing it at this stage.
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A lot of controlling not a lot of suppression which is not a criticism. Sir Patrick Vallance was explaining the position at the outset but they've not touched on this since as it was highly contentious.
 
I know for a fact, myself and my colleges (NHS) are gearing up for at least another 12 months :/
 
As much as we mock elements of US society, there are clearly similar bellends over here:
 
Gelsons Dad said:
one man's bellend.................

But on a more serious note.
What have we experienced? In densely populated areas a significant number of old people have died. In areas densely populated with old people it's worse (care homes). Anyone under 65 in reasonable health is not at risk bar a tiny few unlucky ones. To combat this people have sacrificed their livelihoods. Young people with young families. They have lost years of wealth accumulation in terms of pay and pension. And they have done it to prolong the life of the old and infirm. How long have they prolonged those lives and at what cost?
I don't know the answer. I know it feels like the right thing to do but I don't know if it really is. For every life that we as a planet have prolonged by 1 month, one year, 10 years, how many have we shortened by the same amount by the actions of the lockdown? What is the ultimate cost of these actions?


I don't know any of the answers, nor do I instinctively know what is right and wrong. I know my rather comfortable last ten years of working life up to retirement have gone out the window and my future planning is in chaos. But I don't instinctively feel that's the fault of old and infirm people who are dying. I would like to blame someone just to get it off my chest but I can't see an obvious culprit.

You live your life trying to find a moral comfort zone to inhabit. The boundaries change over time. You try and do the best for your family. Then someone tells you to stay at home. Stop working. Lose your job. Build up unsustainable debt. Risk losing your family home.

I guess at some point each of us will reach a moment where we feel so threatened by the circumstance we find ourselves in that we need to change it. If that means protesting peacefully against the lockdown then that's a pretty docile response. When people start killing each other for food, then I will worry.


Bit of a wine fuelled ramble but that's where my head is right now.
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Have to say I’m beginning to come round to the fact that at some point people are just going to say FUCK IT, we cannot carry on like this, I’m in the fortunate position of both of us still earning but others are really going to struggle after this 3 months that the government have been furloughed.
After the crash in 2007 I said to my now wife it would be 15-20 of austerity and as a public sector worker I’ve born the brunt of that with basically a real term cut in pay of around £5k, austerity will now carry on for another 15 years. There will be a generation of workers in both public and private who are basically paying for the debt of the country for most of their working lives.
I don’t know the answer but my elderly parents have accepted lockdown and if it’s a year so be it, what will happen though is we will get tests and then go visit them properly but not before, kids are going to have to go back to school, masks and cleanliness will be the new norm and I think people will just change their habits to not come into contact with people if they don’t have to. Football isn’t coming back for a long time.
 
bellbuzzer said:
watching the new cases for Lancashire health authorities, on a daily basis, although small, in the region of 20 to 40, they are still going up, and that is in spite of social distancing . Before any relaxing takes place surely to christ the figures need to be dropping.......public transport is almost deserted at the moment, if it starts to be busy again then off we go back to the beginning....
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what I genuinely don't understand is where the numbers are relatively small, why the fuck are we not doing proper contact tracing at all? Its the same in Scotland, on the face of it the daily numbers look manageable to trace contacts and quarantine them.
 
Every day the media has been asking when the exit strategy will begin.
If it starts on Friday the media will be asking why has the exit strategy begun.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
what I genuinely don't understand is where the numbers are relatively small, why the fuck are we not doing proper contact tracing at all? Its the same in Scotland, on the face of it the daily numbers look manageable to trace contacts and quarantine them.
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The obsession with the 100k target (both for and against) has hindered putting in an effective test, trace and isolate regime.
 
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