Deal agreed with Bayern Munich for Leroy Sane - €60m (including add-ons)

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racecar said:
You are once again failing to address the direct points aimed at you and you are deviating.

Your United and PSG examples that “prove your point” make no sense. United signed top players following the Beckham/Ronaldo sagas, sometimes at a cut-price. The reason why they are having to overpay now is because they’re shit. PSG aren’t having to overpay because of their players’ treatment either - naturally their league has less pull which means they incentivise players to join through other means. That’s not to say that their players are being paid more than stars at other European clubs either
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What points?
 
ctid1894 said:
Just read your finishing sentence and explain how you know that to be true? You don't, because you can't, no one can. Which makes the entire post irrelevant because it's based on that factor.

You've also previous stated that players will come for money and trophies which is true, now complimented by the things I've previously mentioned (facilities, manager, playing style etc.), so why not add treatment of players onto that list? If you don't think players take that into account then it's very naive, just look at Erling Haaland and why he signed for Dortmund when he had the choice of the majority of clubs in Europe. My guess is he went there because he knows that he will get well looked after as a young player, will develop as a player and when the time comes and he wants to leave, they won't stand in his way. Now if Dortmund were as successful as us and could continue to support his development why wouldn't he stay?

Look at the reasons Kompany, Silva, Aguero, Zabaleta, Fernandinho etc. have all stayed at City, they could have all gone on to earn more money and won just as many trophies at Real Madrid, Barcelona etc... but they didnt, why, because the club treated them well, treated other players well and they were content and happy. That's justification for my point alone. Look at how we treated Zabaleta when he lost his dad, Silva with his son, if you think players don't see that and appreciate it, it baffles me.
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It is true. There’s precedent for it that we’ve seen before and I’ve given you the reasoning behind it too in my previous post. I know that you are trying to save face but the more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself.

Your Dortmund point has nothing to do with player treatment. Haaland went to Dortmund because it was the best place for his development.

Your points re all of those players once again has nothing to do with negative player treatment. Players stay at clubs for various different reasons - I never said otherwise and you are clearly trying to save face after being proven wrong on your fantasy point that we’d be shunned by players if we mistreated one.

If anything you are supporting my point - our club has treated all those players so well which would further minimise any effect of hardballing Sané (not that there would be because of all the other overwhelming pull factors).

You keep bringing up irrelevant points with extremely tenuous links that no one has disagreed with to try and cover up the fact that you were wrong on there being a knock-on effect if we hardball Sané. We are going around in circles but I’ll let you have the last word if you want to embarrass yourself further and it gives you some sort of a sense of achievement.
 
racecar said:
It is true. There’s precedent for it that we’ve seen before and I’ve given you the reasoning behind it too in my previous post. I know that you are trying to save face but the more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself.

Your Dortmund point has nothing to do with player treatment. Haaland went to Dortmund because it was the best place for his development.

Your points re all of those players once again has nothing to do with negative player treatment. Players stay at clubs for various different reasons - I never said otherwise and you are clearly trying to save face after being proven wrong on your fantasy point that we’d be shunned by players if we mistreated one.

If anything you are supporting my point - our club has treated all those players so well which would further minimise any effect of hardballing Sané (not that there would be because of all the other overwhelming pull factors).

You keep bringing up irrelevant points with extremely tenuous links that no one has disagreed with to try and cover up the fact that you were wrong on there being no knock-on effect if we hardball Sané. We are going around in circles but I’ll let you have the last word if you want to embarrass yourself further and it gives you some sort of a sense of achievement.
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#inSané
 
racecar said:
Points countering your whole fantasy about players supposedly shunning us in the future if we hardball Sané
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I'll reiterate, which points?

I've not purposefully missed anything, if there's is something I have missed you want me to answer specifically make a list and I'll answer each and every single one.
 
Esteban de la Sexface said:
you responded with this when I posted a link saying Bayern and Sané had agreed a deal. Follow your own trail of shit in future
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Hahaha, you're a special one at times. Nothing is signed, there's no direct quotes from anyone involved, there's no substance to the speculation or claims at all and you want me to take that as fact/evidence and I'm the one with a trail of shit? :)

I have my personal opinion of how I expect this to play out btw and it wouldn't surprise me if it was true but I'm not going to condemn him until we know for sure, why would I, it doesn't make any sense and doesn't help the situation.
 
I'd let Sané go without replacement. Sterling and Jesus are more then capable of playing LW. And to compensate for the width loss we could just modify our system and push up our wingbacks. Angelino would be perfect at keeping width, dribble and provide crosses. To compensate for the wingbacks going higher up the midfield will naturally have to drop a bit deeper, especially Rodri.

My prefered option would be 3ATB with Rodri central CB, and Cancelo and Angelino providing width and crosses. Cancelo would have a place in the team too. Wide overlapping wingers like Sané seem to be extinct in the modern game, wide overlapping fullbacks have taken over and is the way forward
 
ctid1894 said:
Hahaha, you're a special one at times. Nothing is signed, there's no direct quotes from anyone involved, there's no substance to the speculation or claims at all and you want me to take that as fact/evidence and I'm the one with a trail of shit? :)

I have my personal opinion of how I expect this to play out btw and it wouldn't surprise me if it was true but I'm not going to condemn him until we know for sure, why would I, it doesn't make any sense and doesn't help the situation.
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condemn him to what? another year on massive wages and then a massive signing on fee at Bayern?

So you do believe that Bayern and Leroy have been courting each other? It's hard to follow your mental gymnastics
 
ctid1894 said:
I'll reiterate, which points?

I've not purposefully missed anything, if there's is something I have missed you want me to answer specifically make a list and I'll answer each and every single one.
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You won’t though. The only direct response you have had to any of the points on the matter was - and I’m paraphrasing - “you don’t know that that’s true, because no one can”.

By that bury your head in the sand logic we can also make a case for the existence of unicorns. You don’t know that they don’t exist because no one can. It’s the kind of last-ditch fantasy argument that people rely on when they have no leg to stand on but want to save face before they start hurling personal abuse.

Three different posters have set out reasoned arguments as to why your fantasy about players not wanting to sign for us if we hardball Sane is utter bollocks. All you have done in response is bring up completely irrelevant red herrings that no one has disagreed with in an amusing attempt to save face.
 
bastianovic said:
Followed the discussion recently as a Bayern fan since this topic also leads to a endless discussion on our side (please don't lynch me bc I am from the "enemy" side).

First of all, I understand the frustration over the situation for many reasons:
- its never nice to (potentially) lose a player which is an important piece of the team (same happened to us with Kroos)
- the behaviour in many ways of our club responsibles (and our clown who we call "sports directors") has been disrespectful and ashaming, my apologies as a Bayern fan for that

Nevertheless there are a few crazy points going on in this discussion here:
- Bayern has never had problems with the FFP of UEFA and it is ridiculous to claim that they changed the rules in our favour. Our club has a long history with hard earned money and our transfer spendings are only a minor part of the ManCity spendings over the last decade. Your club is the one with a multi billionaire owner in the background pumping money into the club - and that's a fact without any judgement from my side. I know how the business works and you have to accept it as long as it goes with the rules (which is obviously doubtable due to the new investigations)

- Bayern certainly is not a club who treats the players like shite as some of you claim here. The one thing we can be proud of is the close relation within the club which is why many former players confirm that Bayern is like a family (ask Ribery and Robben e.g.). I don't know how exactly things are within your club but the public made treatment with Yaya Toure tells a different story than being a more social and well treating club than Bayern.

- "Bayern should be squeezed out because of how the whole thing played out" - No, its your side which should be squeezed out. First, if Sane decides to leave or stay that is his personal choice, there is nothing City or Bayern can do. Sane obviously decided to leave (i don't know how much stake is on Bayern side to influence that decision in the beginning, my impression is more Sanes role under Guardiola but anyway). According to many reports last summer, City allowed Bayern to start talks with Sane (so don't blame Bayern for the talks if your club allowed that). This looks like City was accepting to sell Sane for a fair price (the 150 million Euro are btw not a fair price for a bench player, this sum is simply ridiculous again but okay). At the point they came close to a agreement it was pure STUPIDITY to play him in the game against Pool. If you want to sell a player for this huge amount of money you put him on the bench and never play him again until the move is completed. Now you wanted to set a statement by playing him and now you pay the price for taking that risk. Bayern is doing the right thing now to squeeze every million out of your side because you gambled - and from a neutral perspective you have to admit it. Corona situation comes on top as well as remaining contract period. You took a lot of risks and it turned out bad for you this time, these things happen but don't blame Bayern for the situation. And also don't be illusional and reject the offer to suffer a free transfer in one year, that won't make Sane stay. And in 6 months we can finalise a free move, not much time to start a bidding war with other clubs which put their big transfers on loan due to Corona (Bayern btw. has a lot of money aside and offers Sane over 20 million per year salary, just for the ones of you claiming that Bayern cannot offer a better package than City does)

- Lastly, Bayern was the one publicly bending over for you guys last summer. After your childish complain not to talk about Sane in the public we have apologised through media and also criticised our own "coach" at that time. I don't recall any other club doing such things before, just because we did not want to cause any trouble with you and the transfer. And lets be real: it happens a lot that clubs express their interest in other players publicly (see Perez from Madrid for example)


Again, I understand the emotions but please stick to reality a little bit. Cheers
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Bayern do not get preferential treatment for FFP? Not as if you have a sponsorship deal with Audi, the company that has direct stakes in your football club. What was our punishment for FFP based on again?
 
racecar said:
You won’t though. The only direct response you have had to any of the points on the matter was - and I’m paraphrasing - “you don’t know that that’s true, because no one can”.

By that bury your head in the sand logic we can also make a case for the existence of unicorns. You don’t know that they don’t exist because no one can. It’s the kind of last-ditch fantasy argument that people rely on when they have no leg to stand on but want to save face before they start hurling personal abuse.

Three different posters have set out reasoned arguments as to why your fantasy about players not wanting to sign for us if we hardball Sane is utter bollocks. All you have done in response is bring up completely irrelevant red herrings that no one has disagreed with in an amusing attempt to save face.
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I asked you to list every point you think I've avoided/missed and said I'll happily answer them. You've refused twice, then resorted to talking about argument styles, yet I'm attempting to save face? ;)
 
Esteban de la Sexface said:
condemn him to what? another year on massive wages and then a massive signing on fee at Bayern?

So you do believe that Bayern and Leroy have been courting each other? It's hard to follow your mental gymnastics
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to criticize something or someone strongly, usually for moral reasons: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/condemn

It wouldn't surprise me if Bayern and Sane have held talks and agreed a deal but until we have any facts/evidence on which to prove it, I won't criticise Sane, because I/we may very well be jumping to conclusions which aren't correct and unless I'm mistaken we have common law relating to innocent until proven guilty in this country.
 
ctid1894 said:
How is Sane holding the club to ransom? Has he refused to play? He signed a 5 year contract and so far has done nothing to suggest he won't honour the remainder of that contract.

Why would you punish a player by putting them in the reserves or reducing playing time when they have done absolutely nothing wrong to date?

Both clubs (United and PSG) are paying wages way in excess of market value to attract players; Neymar, Mbappe, Sanchez, Pogba etc... That just proves my point, we have attracted world class players and haven't had to pay those figures. We only increase the wages when the players have proven their value to us (e.g. KDB, Sterling, Ederson, Laporte, Bernardo to name just a few) and that's why they stay because they feel valued and appreciated by the club who don't have to do that because they're already under contract.
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Since you really don’t understand the error of his ways I will point it out for you. He has been tapped up by Bayern and is driving his price down through it. As far as rules go Bayern and Sane have acted illegally. He colluded with a team whilst being under a contract. This has been going on for 1.5 years.

Why are you talking about wages now? RVP still signed for Utd despite all the hassle with Ronaldo. Did Aubameyang refuse to sign for Arsenal because they held Sanchez back? What about all the players Liverpool signed despite them telling Gerrard and Suarez to sit down?
 
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