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richardtheref said:
Hancock now saying that Scotland have not reduced level to be alert as their R rate is higher than in England. A quick look on the govt's own website shows the North East of England has the highest R rate in the UK yet us in the North East are now subject to the less stringent rules?????
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I get the impression the lifting of restrictions in England is based on the big falls of R rate in London with little consideration for those areas still with higher infection rates.
In Scotland I live in an area like many less populated parts where infections have fallen quite dramatically. In my area we’re down to 2 or 3 new cases Every couple of days, where Glasgow is still quite high , but restrictions are being kept higher until the worst areas have improved. We are moving at the pace of the most infected areas, Doesn’t seem to be Englands policy.
 
Eds said:
You are conflating a country with a region. Whilst the North East may have the highest R rate in the UK, is it lower than Scotland as a whole. Locking down a region in a different way to the rest of the country is a different argument altogether. Can you provide a link to each regions R rate?
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Cannot provide a link. It was on the local news last night. Said Scotland was 0.7 whereas the North East is currently 0.9.
 
west didsblue said:
I never mentioned anything about racism, but now you mention little Englanders, I’d agree that sums up the attitude in that post about the English paying for Scots and Welsh staying at home and getting pissed. I see you’ve rowed back from that comment now and are making a more coherent argument so fair enough.
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your starting point is always the same

Can I call him a racist, if not

xenophobic , if not

little ENGLANDER.

then go on about cricket and village greens and the empire .

The slogan is a joke about the jokey slogan we all have . It’s not a real slogan,have you not had numerous WhatsApp’s with different joke versions of the slogan. . I don’t have it in my window at home. It’s not a real slogan.

The general point is the same it’s easy to have a more prudent policy to keep people off work in your country if the cost of doing that is borne by the general UK pot. If it was borne by the Scottish government it would be a different policy.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
indeed you could argue it’s a generous impediment to people returning to work.
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Certainly for a large amount of people.

I know a few that are loving their family time and look like they’ve been to Spain for three weeks with their back garden tan.

Good for them for making the most of it, but from chatting to them, they’re not over eager to return to work so long as they’re getting paid.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
and that’s all fair . I think the uk government has not criticised the devolved countries response in what they have done.

I think given the vast majority of countries in Europe and the world are easing lockdown measures now I think it will be a matter of time anyway until Scotland wales and Northern Ireland follow suit . I have to say I don’t know what is happening in the Republic of Ireland and whether lockdown measures are easing there as well now, but I don’t think we are months away from a common policy
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Agreed, I don't think the rest of the UK will be that far behind. Possibly 3 weeks to a month or so behind every gradual lift which happens in England.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
your starting point is always the same

Can I call him a racist, if not

xenophobic , if not

little ENGLANDER.

then go on about cricket and village greens and the empire .

The slogan is a joke about the jokey slogan we all have . It’s not a real slogan,have you not had numerous WhatsApp’s with different joke versions of the slogan. . I don’t have it in my window at home. It’s not a real slogan.

The general point is the same it’s easy to have a more prudent policy to keep people off work in your country if the cost of doing that is borne by the general UK pot. If it was borne by the Scottish government it would be a different policy.
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No problem with your general point but your “joke” just came across as a dig as far as I’m concerned.
 
karen7 said:
Several councils threatened to withhold funding to help care homes deal with the coronavirus outbreak if they didn't agree to take in COVID-19 patients, Sky News can reveals,It comes as dozens of care homes fear a government policy allowing the transfer of coronavirus-positive or untested patients is a "major factor" in why COVID-19 deaths are so high.
The policy was changed in the middle of April but some care homes believe the damage had already been done by then

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...they-didnt-take-in-covid-19-patients-11986578
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It's no surprise. Beuracrates work with blinkers on, wherever they work. They have a task to do and a budget to work with. It is above their pay grade to think about collateral damage.
It's the same all over Europe. Indeed, It amazes me actually that only 38% of English care homes have had Covid-19 cases. Scotlands a bit high on 78% but its around 50% in Spain, Italy and France.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
it’s not it’s about cost apportionment through the UK . There is nothing patriotic about it , it’s about finance allocation of the uk pot .

If a decision is taken for the Scottish to stay home for , say the next 6 months and not go to work , whereas England wales and Northern Ireland go back to work, Scotland should bear the cost of the furlough scheme for its decision.
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I think there will be discussions going forward as how furlough might be paid for in Scotland should they want to extend it very long-term

as far as i understand, furlough was made to last until end of June and all VAT receipts are deferred until March 2021, you dont need to pay. Therefore there was an amount ringfenced to pay as if the whole UK was off until June 30th. Therefore couldnt there be a way of assigning less public money to Scotland based on less VAT collected, in a future barnett payment? just a thought
 
blueparrot said:
I get the impression the lifting of restrictions in England is based on the big falls of R rate in London with little consideration for those areas still with higher infection rates.
In Scotland I live in an area like many less populated parts where infections have fallen quite dramatically. In my area we’re down to 2 or 3 new cases Every couple of days, where Glasgow is still quite high , but restrictions are being kept higher until the worst areas have improved. We are moving at the pace of the most infected areas, Doesn’t seem to be Englands policy.
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Agree with this entirely.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
As much as we moan, we’re no different to other countries - this is Australia where they have decided to open shopping malls.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...m-over-coronavirus-social-distancing/12231780
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Let's be honest, there's a big fucking bill coming our way that has to be paid for stopping economic activity to fight the virus so to minimise the bill economies have to start opening up.
It's a balancing act of risk between opening up and letting the virus go again so I'd rather wait a week or so to open up - i.e. till the track-and-trace app is working and the track-and-trace teams are deployed. But we are where we are.
Personally I think the equivalent of war bonds with guaranteed returns over 5-20 years is the way to pay for it. Savings give people fuck all return so lots of people will buy them. Additional money to that lost should be borrowed to boost UK investment and grow the economy to pay the bond bill's or we really will be fucked.
 
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