Deal agreed with Bayern Munich for Leroy Sane - €60m (including add-ons)

[Phil1]

Have the guts to join up here under the club you support or don’t bother at all.
Wanker.

 

[richards30]

Your conspiracy theory continues to grow. Bayern were not interested in getting Leroy Sane in summer 2018. There's zero rumours and no interviews by Bayern personnel around that time either. Playing for Bayern or Manchester City doesn't entitle one to play for the German NT.

Loew has his own way of choosing players. I didn't see you complaining when he inexplicably told Mueller, Hummels (and Boateng to some extent) that they would not feature in his selections anymore.

you seem to defend bayern and germany alot mate? yet deny you are a bayern fan? fuck off!

 

[ManCityLibat]

I agree that Sane will leave the timing of it is still the point in question. In terms of buying a young promising player..... How young and promising, if you are such wouldn't you either be at a club playing European football or wanting to move to one that is, on top of that City don't have a great record of bringing that type of player through over the last 10 years(wish they did). The FFP point is irrelevant if they aren't in Europe it doesn't matter so getting 50m in the first year of their ban doesn't help(that's not to say not having 50m euros is better!)

One of us has clearly misunderstood the FFP rules. The first year you qualify for the CL post-hypothetical-ban, UEFA would look at your books for the preceding 3 years. Not worrying about finances in that first year of ban would only make sense if you're banned for 4 seasons, which is not going to happen.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

One of us has clearly misunderstood the FFP rules. The first year you qualify for the CL post-hypothetical-ban, UEFA would look at your books for the preceding 3 years. Not worrying about finances in that first year of ban would only make sense if you're banned for 4 seasons, which is not going to happen.

City aren't making a loss right now and will have the European money from this campaign, next year there will be a sizable reduction in the wage bill(as at least Sane leaves). So the year you need to worry about is year two in other words the one the ban has kicked in AND you have no European money... year three(the last year of the ban)you can start deferring payments to include reintroduction of Europe(assuming City don't fall out of the top 4 and/or UEFA don't move the goalposts.............again...)

 

[ManCityLibat]

you seem to defend bayern and germany alot mate? yet deny you are a bayern fan? fuck off!

Where have I denied or revealed who I support? The only denial I made, since I was asked repeatedly about it, is saying that I am not a Man City fan. I only joined to try and clear out misconceptions on the FIFA rules regarding international transfers, but then I was attacked. I don't think I've been rude, obscene or making fun of you guys here. But maybe you have a different opinion on that.

 

[better dead than red]

It's not racist, even though that's the card Oezil played. Germany have had a number of players of foreign heritage. Off the top of my head I remember Asamoah, Cacau, Klose, Podolski, Trochowski, Boateng, Gnabry...

They got booed for sucking up to a Turkish dictator.

German authorities don't approve the booing, but fans will be fans.

My remark was anecdotal from my experiences and nothing to do with what Ozil may or may not have said.

My wife is German. She has German expat friends, who also have German friends and family that make visits. Many of the people I've met through them have no use for Ozil, even when he was a shining light for die Mannschaft. From discussions with them, they have said many in Germany don't appreciate the Turks that have immigrated there. Not for racial reasons but because they feel many abuse the social services system in Germany.

As for it being racial, I think about 90% of Turkish people are considered Caucasian but that is probably being pedantic.

 

[blueparrot]

I agree that Sane will leave the timing of it is still the point in question. In terms of buying a young promising player..... How young and promising, if you are such wouldn't you either be at a club playing European football or wanting to move to one that is, on top of that City don't have a great record of bringing that type of player through over the last 10 years(wish they did). The FFP point is irrelevant if they aren't in Europe it doesn't matter so getting 50m in the first year of their ban doesn't help(that's not to say not having 50m euros is better!)

But I think you are starting to see the larger picture..... in many respects its all about the ban and the timing of the transfer, assuming Bayern don't blow City out of the water with a really solid offer, which I think most would agree is unlikely! will at the end of the day play a key role in it.

Any ban, and a think one is unlikely, will have no impact on FFP. As it’s a 3 year rolling calculation if we were banned for a year and overspent that over spend would still impact on us when we got back into europe. So any any ban doesn’t mean we can spend freely, we still have to be spending what we can afford and without c/l and without matchday income for a while we will have less income and have less to spend.
Anyway as I say probably irrelevant as a ban is unlikely.

edit reading back think I misunderstood your post.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

We now have £400m sat and being used in the club coffers. The board are not bluffing - the cash is there to ensure City can do pretty much anything over the next four seasons.

 

[ManCityLibat]

City aren't making a loss right now and will have the European money from this campaign, next year there will be a sizable reduction in the wage bill(as at least Sane leaves).

So then you get to my original point that Bayern don't lose anything if Man City get banned, given there isn't a scenario where it makes sense to spend more money simply because you're banned.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

So then you get to my original point that Bayern don't lose anything if Man City get banned, given there isn't a scenario where it makes sense to spend more money simply because you're banned.

Well they do because it makes City being able to sell Sane and find a replacement harder.....

 

[ManCityLibat]

My remark was anecdotal from my experiences and nothing to do with what Ozil may or may not have said.

My wife is German. She has German expat friends, who also have German friends and family that make visits. Many of the people I've met through them have no use for Ozil, even when he was a shining light for die Mannschaft. From discussions with them, they have said many in Germany don't appreciate the Turks that have immigrated there. Not for racial reasons but because they feel many abuse the social services system in Germany.

As for it being racial, I think about 90% of Turkish people are considered Caucasian but that is probably being pedantic.

Oezil is an edge case in that he has long since polarised fans with opinions about him. I still think that his best days were when he was young and playing for Werder Bremen.

 

[richards30]

We now have £400m sat and being used in the club coffers. The board are not bluffing - the cash is there to ensure City can do pretty much anything over the next four seasons.

excellent!! time to use it to get two steps ahead of the scouse twats then!!

 

[ManCityLibat]

Well they do because it makes City being able to sell Sane and find a replacement harder.....

But if we assume that Sane is moving anyway, summer 2020 or 2021, then you'd still need that replacement. And if you don't sell in 2020, the cost of the transaction would affect 2 not just 1 season, FFP wise. Plus carry an extra loss of circa 50m.

 

[richards30]

Where have I denied or revealed who I support? The only denial I made, since I was asked repeatedly about it, is saying that I am not a Man City fan. I only joined to try and clear out misconceptions on the FIFA rules regarding international transfers, but then I was attacked. I don't think I've been rude, obscene or making fun of you guys here. But maybe you have a different opinion on that.

you post in an arrogant and patronising way so you had to be a bayern fan

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Your conspiracy theory continues to grow. Bayern were not interested in getting Leroy Sane in summer 2018. There's zero rumours and no interviews by Bayern personnel around that time either. Playing for Bayern or Manchester City doesn't entitle one to play for the German NT.

Loew has his own way of choosing players. I didn't see you complaining when he inexplicably told Mueller, Hummels (and Boateng to some extent) that they would not feature in his selections anymore.

So Bayern decided to have an interest in him after he was deemed not good enough for the national team? Pull the other one?

Are you African by any chance?

 

[ManCityLibat]

So Bayern decided to have an interest in him after he was deemed not good enough for the national team? Pull the other one?

Are you African by any chance?

Bayern had an interest in him after Ribery and Robben retired/left and Coman proved to be too injury prone. In fact, Sane had started playing regularly for the NT when Bayern registered their first interest.

No, I'm not African.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

But if we assume that Sane is moving anyway, summer 2020 or 2021, then you'd still need that replacement. And if you don't sell in 2020, the cost of the transaction would affect 2 not just 1 season. Plus carry an extra loss of circa 50m.

I'm sorry I have gone through my reasoning, we will have to agree to disagree. I maintain until word of City's ban comes through a transfer is extremely hard, you disagree and think City will jump at 50m euros Football(when its actually played! is all about opinion!)we will just have to see how it all plays out, but please keep in mind that even a normal transfer is more complex than supporters of one side or the other would think(City supporters are as guilty of that as anyone).

 

[better dead than red]

you post in an arrogant and patronising way so you had to be a bayern fan

I dunno. There is a Barcelona fan that frequents these parts that comes across worse. :-)

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Bayern had an interest in him after Ribery and Robben retired and Coman proved to be too injury prone. In fact, Sane had started playing regularly for the NT when Bayern registered their first interest.

No, I'm not African.

You're full of shit and incredibly annoying

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

But if we assume that Sane is moving anyway, summer 2020 or 2021, then you'd still need that replacement. And if you don't sell in 2020, the cost of the transaction would affect 2 not just 1 season, FFP wise. Plus carry an extra loss of circa 50m.

Sane wasn't getting in the team the majority of the time he was fit, that was one of his gripes.

You are supposing we are having to buy a replacement. We are not buying a replacement for Sane.

His book value at the club is roughly £7.5m per year, so holding him to his contract technically results in us offsetting that next year, not a huge amount, but certainly not a free transfer black hole per se.