COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[ganganvince]

But surely these people you feel sorry for can have the wherewithal to a) make a decision for themselves to wear one and b) go on YouTube where there are about 100 videos on how to make your own mask.

I don’t understand why people need spoon feeding.

Government guidance on mask manufacture

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

 

[twosips]

But surely these people you feel sorry for can have the wherewithal to a) make a decision for themselves to wear one and b) go on YouTube where there are about 100 videos on how to make your own mask.

I don’t understand why people need spoon feeding.

Because the government spent weeks telling them there was no scientific proof they worked! Come on man! They probably don't even know that they're now recommended and still think they're useless. This change of tact only came about a few days ago, and it was a relatively off-handed concession. There's been absolutely no push for it at all from leaders.

 

[SWP's back]

Government guidance on mask manufacture

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

Well there you go!

 

[Gabriel]

That's NHS beuracrates for you.

Think it’ll be a combination of multiple factors. If approximately 40% of deaths occurred at home and in care homes, then the idea that the NHS didn’t buckle rings rather hollow. If there is a second wave, will people be as good as

 

[twosips]

Government guidance on mask manufacture

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

This needs to spread around properly though via social media. Not just buried away in a government site. If you go on https://www.gov.uk/ its genuinely not clear where to find that page - and if you didn't know it was there, you probably wouldn't. As I said, it needs to be part of an urgent nationwide public service announcement.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

There are quite a few separate questions there
Firstly Oxford University have many different groups so that some at different times say different things is not surprising.
The original model that was talked about was a mathematical model one of the possible outcomes of which was a high level of immunity at that time.It was seized on by the press but was not even then as far as I could see a central prediction of the model just one possible interpretation of the data.
I don't think anyone believes this likely now.
The headline saying we are not at epidemic levels now is more of a reflection of a standardised definition of epidemic rather than an assessment of the risk to the population if the virus is allowed to spread.
The current level of infection in the community is not an immediate risk to the health service at this level , were relaxations in social distancing relaxed enough to allow exponential growth it almost undoubtedly would be.

That all makes perfect sense CF. Cheers.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

But surely these people you feel sorry for can have the wherewithal to a) make a decision for themselves to wear one and b) go on YouTube where there are about 100 videos on how to make your own mask.

I don’t understand why people need spoon feeding.

I think you overestimate the common sense levels of the general public by quite a bit. Perhaps so are the government. You can never judge what they should be doing based on your own standards, I assume both me and you would never get on thst bus without a mask but for many sections of society this needs absolutely driven home, if not made compulsory. The world out there isn't as switched on as you think, even if you already think it's lacking common sense I'd lower your expectations even further.

 

[Marvin]

They wont get to herd immunity with an infection base of 136k, R=1, and an average infective period of 14 days (I made the 14 days up - it can't be that far out). I don't get anywhere near. You could build a significant number though which would act as as bulwark against a 2nd wave.

Even without a vaccine,I think we'll get increasingly safer and the risks will gradually fall. But it's going to be a long had slog with each day merging into the next. I waste far too much time on this damned virus

 

[twosips]

I think you overestimate the common sense levels of the general public by quite a bit. Perhaps so are the government. You can never judge what they should be doing based on your own standards, I assume both me and you would never get on thst bus without a mask but for many sections of society this needs absolutely driven home, if not made compulsory. The world out there isn't as switched on as you think, even if you already think it's lacking common sense I'd lower your expectations even further.

Exactly. You govern and change your strategy accordingly so that you can find the most effective way to through to the populace. We all know that this country has some 'common sense' problems. Its pretty obvious that any urgent messages needs to be totally rammed home to get through. We're not like the Swedes, or even those in the east, who are a lot more obedient in many ways. So spell it out, plainly and simply. Put it on ads all over social media - encourage the papers to have it on their front pages, get the BBC to talk about it a lot. It'll save lives so there's no excuse. It's just negligence.

 

[twosips]

They wont get to herd immunity with an infection base of 136k, R=1, and an average infective period of 14 days (I made the 14 days up - it can't be that far out). I don't get anywhere near. You could build a significant number though which would act as as bulwark against a 2nd wave.

Even without a vaccine,I think we'll get increasingly safer and the risks will gradually fall. But it's going to be a long had slog with each day merging into the next. I waste far too much time on this damned virus

That's the one thing that always slightly reassures me, and I feel guilty for even feeling this way, when I see the numbers as high as they have been. At least, and I do stress the 'least' bit there, with every new case and then eventual (hopefully at least) recovery, I guess there's one less person to spread it around then, thus making it harder for the fucker to actually spread over time. All this is obviously based on the idea of immunity actually being a thing though! Fingers crossed hey.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Quieter on the roads than normal today.

Decided to take Mrs Moon, she's been in a at risk group, out for a drive up Saddleworth/Marsden area for some fresh air in a couple of laybys....I know what a guy ;)

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Barely a mask or face covering in sight.
2nd spike on the way in London on the way because of this. You have to go full on South Korea to make public transport as safe as possible.
Khan has done fuck all for the last two months to try and make it safe.
But it's no good the government saying don't use public transport when it's impossible to not do so to go to work in London.

Why are people not wearing masks and should the Government or the Mayor be held responsible for not trying to make it safer?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Because masks are not compulsory

 

[St.Pauli support]

They wont get to herd immunity with an infection base of 136k, R=1, and an average infective period of 14 days (I made the 14 days up - it can't be that far out). I don't get anywhere near. You could build a significant number though which would act as as bulwark against a 2nd wave.

Even without a vaccine,I think we'll get increasingly safer and the risks will gradually fall. But it's going to be a long had slog with each day merging into the next. I waste far too much time on this damned virus

Without a vaccine it will take quite long to reach herd immunity (if CV remains the same):

Let's say UK herd immunity is 66% of persons infected.
That would be 44m cases for UK.
Let's assume the true number of UK cases is 2m, as an example. Remain 42m to be infected.
Even if we would allow 5,000 new cases any single day from now on
it would take about 23 years to reach 66% HE:

5,000 x365 days x23 yrs = 42m.

23 years. Would you think more than 5k per day is within NHS capacity?

Would it be possible at all to keep R=1 at 5k without overshooting??

We can scrap all those HE theories and just hope for a vaccine.

 

[lancs blue]

Why are people not wearing masks and should the Government or the Mayor be held responsible for not trying to make it safer?

Surely the government has to be firmer but at the same time realistic. If they want significant numbers returning to work then the mooted 10% capacity limit for public transport is simply unworkable, social distancing is bound to be compromised, especially in the major cities. So why didn't the government make it compulsory to have the nose and mouth covered before being allowed on public transport rather than just offering "advice" when there's plenty of evidence that a sizeable minority in this country will only heed advice if they're inconvenienced when they ignore it.

 

[hilts]

Yes because I work hard and am reasonably well paid and I hate cleaning.

Loser, when mine gets dirty I just buy another

 

[Deleted member 77198]

watched this last night

Very interesting

I’ve been ignoring things about this starting in a lab, thinking they meant it was man made in a lab, which I didn’t believe.

I didn’t realise this lab was a bat coronavirus testing lab with actual live bats with coronavirus.

And if true about the state of the working conditions and lack of health and safety in the lab; then China need to be asked some hard questions!

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Because the government spent weeks telling them there was no scientific proof they worked! Come on man! They probably don't even know that they're now recommended and still think they're useless. This change of tact only came about a few days ago, and it was a relatively off-handed concession. There's been absolutely no push for it at all from leaders.

Spoke to my Sister the other day and I mentioned about going to the shops in a mask and she said; “but Hancock said for weeks they’re useless so I’m not bothering”. She’s obviously missed any updates on this.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I’ve been ignoring things about this starting in a lab, thinking they meant it was man made in a lab, which I didn’t believe.

I didn’t realise this lab was a bat coronavirus testing lab with actual live bats with coronavirus.

And if true about the state of the working conditions and lack of health and safety in the lab; then China need to be asked some hard questions!

On the other hand it is just as likely click bait fake news.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I think you overestimate the common sense levels of the general public by quite a bit. Perhaps so are the government. You can never judge what they should be doing based on your own standards, I assume both me and you would never get on thst bus without a mask but for many sections of society this needs absolutely driven home, if not made compulsory. The world out there isn't as switched on as you think, even if you already think it's lacking common sense I'd lower your expectations even further.

I completely agree about common sense. Having worked across a few industries, over the years, dealing with the public in their hundreds every day; it is hugely underestimated how many people have no or little common sense!

Also it’s not always about common sense, it’s about not being exposed to news. I’ve mentioned before, my ex who I broke up with last year didn’t have a TV Licence and only watched Netflix and Prime on her tele through her tablet. She also didn’t have a radio in the house and only listened to Apple Music in her car. So she never watched/listened to any news.

A British-Asian woman was on BBC News the other day saying there are many people in the Asian communities in Britain who only watch Asian tv stations and aren’t exposed to our news. And even if they watched or read BBC News, many don’t speak English.

My Sister has three kids and is still having problems from a miscarriage a few months ago, and is run off her feet at the moment. She’s not up to date with things and is still thinking along the lines of Hancock saying masks don’t do anything because that’s what he said for about five weeks.

Others are busy in other ways, some have been working harder than ever through this, doing longer hours than they were pre-restrictions... they won’t have the time to be keeping up with the news.

Many many people aren’t exposed to what a lot of us are. They do not get the messages.