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stonerblue said:
I was 9 in 1973.
In '87 i went to Greece to work, and in the following years i lived and worked all over Europe. Nobody checked if i had enough money, could speak the lingo, was in a 'vital' industry, had a sponsor or the £2k needed just to apply
The UK now requires all of this and more before even considering letting people work here.
Why do you think that the new rules we've put in place will not be mirrored by every eu country? And don't say they need us more than etc etc..
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Well if people are so desperate to live or work abroad they can just go and live and work in one of the world's other countries. As they have for decades.

It might come as a shock to you but I voted leave as I wanted to leave. I believed then and firmly believe now that this was the best choice for the UK. The world's 5th largest economy, the world's 2nd or 3rd most powerful country when combining soft power with real power.

The ease with which affluent trust fund brats could "work" in the Dordogne or "winter" in Val D'Isère could not have been further from my mind.
Kids where I live aren't too fussed that it might be a tiny bit harder to get a job in daddy's bank, Berlin branch.

That's because I'm a proud member of the British working class. The most patriotic people in the country. Who voted in the millions to leave.

And leave we are.
 
stonerblue said:
No. Somewhere on here pre-referendum you will find a post of mine saying referendums on such complicated matters are, and i quote, ''fucking stupid.''
I did vote in it though as a response to a couple of fuckwits i know who, for the first time ever, told me they were going to vote ''to get the pakis out''.
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Despicable people. Equally as despicable as the remain voters who told me they were voting remain as "at least that way the immigrants are white"
 
Gaudion M said:
It is important to accurate. Not all leavers are racist but all racists are leavers.
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Apart from those rascists who voted remain as "at least the immigrants are white".
Apart from those rascists who supported remain because "it keeps the pakis out"
Apart from those rascists who voted remain because "us white folk need to stick together. Fuck the rest of the world off, the Europeans look like us"

All quotes (they may not all be exactly verbatim as it was a few years ago now) that I heard leading up to the referendum. Not surprisingly all from middle class liberal types who would be astounded to think they were racist. They were just "voting in the country's best interests".
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Because in the Eu you can sign up to

  • Freedom of movement. (Schengen agreement)
  • Freedom of movement of Labour (the agreement the UK had)
as we are now out of the Eu and all of us are heading for the worst recession in 300 years ... why would the Eu want to give either to a third country when they will be wanting to solve unemployment levels within their own countries .... and many more Eu citizens will be leaving the UK to return home anyway.
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Oh dear......

Another day - another Personal Best from you
 
stonerblue said:
I was 9 in 1973.
In '87 i went to Greece to work, and in the following years i lived and worked all over Europe. Nobody checked if i had enough money, could speak the lingo, was in a 'vital' industry, had a sponsor or the £2k needed just to apply
The UK now requires all of this and more before even considering letting people work here.
Why do you think that the new rules we've put in place will not be mirrored by every eu country? And don't say they need us more than etc etc..
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I wouldn't say daft things like that

You/we all should be celebrating being on the road to being free of the discrimination that is inherent to EU membership
 
joe123 said:
Quelle surprise!

Think we all knew this was gonna be the case. I’d be surprised if anyone who said it wasn’t going to happen gives a shit tho. I’d also imagine it’s one of many prices worth paying if you’re a leave voter.
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The Remainers are missing the real issue here IMO.

There was an utter fuckwit in the role of PM through the years following the referendum. That fuckwit - May - placed another fuckwit - and all-round incompetent (Robbins) in charge of negotiating the WA.

Quelle Surprise - the fuckwits brought forward a WA that was wholly biased in the EU's favour and created a position at the point when a government actually committed to Leaving came into power which meant that the starting point was actually far worse than July 2016.

May and Robbins have a lot to answer for with that WA.

Also noteworthy is the Remainer mindset. That they take satisfaction and gloat that it has come to pass that the previous actions of other Remainers have proven to be detrimental to the interests of the UK is telling. This should not be something to be smug about in the reality of May 2020 - but, for some, scoring points and feeling that they have won an argument on a football forum is all this has been all about for years.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
The Remainers are missing the real issue here IMO.

There was an utter fuckwit in the role of PM through the years following the referendum. That fuckwit - May - placed another fuckwit - and all-round incompetent (Robbins) in charge of negotiating the WA.

Quelle Surprise - the fuckwits brought forward a WA that was wholly biased in the EU's favour and created a position at the point when a government actually committed to Leaving came into power which meant that the starting point was actually far worse than July 2016.

May and Robbins have a lot to answer for with that WA.

Also noteworthy is the Remainer mindset. That they take satisfaction and gloat that it has come to pass that the previous actions of other Remainers have proven to be detrimental to the interests of the UK is telling. This should not be something to be smug about in the reality of May 2020 - but, for some, scoring points and feeling that you have won an argument on a football forum is all this has been all about for years.
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Shriver said Remainers were keen to be right, Leavers just to have won. To be right, we win the arguments. Like, how will the fishing industry be better off with No Deal?
 
mcfc1632 said:
The Remainers are missing the real issue here IMO.

There was an utter fuckwit in the role of PM through the years following the referendum. That fuckwit - May - placed another fuckwit - and all-round incompetent (Robbins) in charge of negotiating the WA.

Quelle Surprise - the fuckwits brought forward a WA that was wholly biased in the EU's favour and created a position at the point when a government actually committed to Leaving came into power which meant that the starting point was actually far worse than July 2016.

May and Robbins have a lot to answer for with that WA.

Also noteworthy is the Remainer mindset. That they take satisfaction and gloat that it has come to pass that the previous actions of other Remainers have proven to be detrimental to the interests of the UK is telling. This should not be something to be smug about in the reality of May 2020 - but, for some, scoring points and feeling that you have won an argument on a football forum is all this has been all about for years.
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Whilst all that might be true, you forgot to mention the lies that Johnson told at the time which are highlighted here. Or do you take it for granted that nobody believed him anyway?
 
These are all distractions from the fact that membership costs many billions of pounds annually for the privilege of not having to pay extortionate tariffs. The fact that some logs have been thrown in the path of free trade when we leave does not make remaining a good thin, it just shows what a malevolent cartel the EU is. The partition of Ireland is of course an issue of our own making, but for the EU to seek to leverage their case by stoking those particular issue has been appalling. The glee with which they seek to create problems rather than find solutions to the Irish/UK border has been cynical at best.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
These are all distractions from the fact that membership costs many billions of pounds annually for the privilege of not having to pay extortionate tariffs. The fact that some logs have been thrown in the path of free trade when we leave does not make remaining a good thin, it just shows what a malevolent cartel the EU is. The partition of Ireland is of course an issue of our own making, but for the EU to seek to leverage their case by stoking those particular issue has been appalling. The glee with which they seek to create problems rather than find solutions to the Irish/UK border has been cynical at best.
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Again for the millionth time. We do not pay billions to avoid a few fucking tariffs. How many fucking times do we have to through this before it fucking registers?

Seriously phone a friend, ask the audience, wire your brain to the mains. Whatever.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
These are all distractions from the fact that membership costs many billions of pounds annually for the privilege of not having to pay extortionate tariffs. The fact that some logs have been thrown in the path of free trade when we leave does not make remaining a good thin, it just shows what a malevolent cartel the EU is. The partition of Ireland is of course an issue of our own making, but for the EU to seek to leverage their case by stoking those particular issue has been appalling. The glee with which they seek to create problems rather than find solutions to the Irish/UK border has been cynical at best.
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The problems of NI/ROI stem from the fact we are leaving the CU and SM. It is a very simple concept that if you leave those things then the default is WTO rules that require tariffs and customs controls. You put them on the Irish border and you have a massive problem. The same applies to Dover/Calais and the trade that goes through those ports. This is all very simple and it is not a situation the EU have engineered it was the basic facts on the ground 4 years ago and remains valid now. You can not be half in a CU/SM type arrangement - you either are in and the borders are frictionless as now or they are not - as per every other similar EU border.

This is all entirely 100% our doing and we are in this position because the bull shitters wont ever admit that they are wrong and there are no solutions. We have slowly come to accept the Irish border has no solution, there is no more talk of smart borders. We all know what will happen to NI as a result. And it proves conclusively that Johnson lied his way into the position we are in.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Whilst all that might be true, you forgot to mention the lies that Johnson told at the time which are highlighted here. Or do you take it for granted that nobody believed him anyway?
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I regard Johnson to be a serial liar

I have questioned the character of Johnson on quite a few occasions

I have only ever had/given support to Johnson's words and actions in the late months and on the single topic of Brexit - you will not find posts from me being positive about Johnson on any other topic.

Re the wording in the WA on borders and Johnson's statements - yep it was clear to me that he simply must be either out and out lying or had some intention to limit the number of checks in some way to checks only on goods that would come from the mainland and go onwards to cross the border into the ROI – even then he would still have been lying to some degree.

Now that is stated very clearly and therefore answered your comments/questions to me on Johnson - I hope you will as clearly state/accept the veracity of the points that I made in my post.

For me the accuracy of those points fully exposes the shallowness of the positions and attitudes of quite a few posters.

Let's be clear - there are posters on here that are exulting in the fact that there are difficulties for the UK - even though those issues have been caused by the actions of Remain biased politicians - in the here and now of May 2020. This appears to be because they place bad news for the UK as of far more importance and preferable to them than good news for the UK, if it means that they can feel that they are winning some argument on a football forum.

These same people have spent years in exulting in the every fuck-up made by Robbins and May that as created a situation whereby the UK's negotiating position was far worse in 2019 than it was in 2016 - utter incompetence.

As I have been clear in my statements to you - I think that it would be reasonable to expect you to be equally unequivocal in answering this point(s) - not least because, as a UK citizen, you should be also appalled at these attitudes in the here and now of May 2020.

You know that I find it inconsistent of you when you make valid point and challenges with regard to the wording and attitudes of Leaver posts - yet always turn a blind eye/give a free pass to the poor posts and attitudes of Remainers - is this just going to be another occasion?
 
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