Fair enough - I will try to be more fulsome.Is that your answer..... or do you actually have a riposte?
I started my post with ‘whilst all that may be true’ does that not give enough of a hint. You having a bad hair day? :-)I regard Johnson to be a serial liar
I have questioned the character of Johnson on quite a few occasions
I have only ever had/given support to Johnson's words and actions in the late months and on the single topic of Brexit - you will not find posts from me being positive about Johnson on any other topic.
Re the wording in the WA on borders and Johnson's statements - yep it was clear to me that he simply must be either out and out lying or had some intention to limit the number of checks in some way to checks only on goods that would cross the border into the ROI – even then he would still be lying to some degree.
Now that is stated very clearly and therefore answered your comments/questions to me on Johnson - I hope you will as clearly state/accept the veracity of the points that I made in my post.
For me the accuracy of those points fully exposes the shallowness of the positions and attitudes of quite a few posters.
Let's be clear - there are posters on here that are exulting in the fact that there are difficulties for the UK in the here and now of May 2020, because they place bad news for the UK as of far more importance and preferable to them than good news for the UK, if it means that they can feel that they are winning some argument on a football forum.
These same people have spent years in exulting in the every fuck-up made by Robbins that as created a situation whereby the UK's negotiating position is far worse in 2019 than it was in 2016 - utter incompetence.
As I have been clear in my statements to you - I think that it would be reasonable to expect you to be equally unequivocal in answering this point(s) - not least because, as a UK citizen, you should be also appalled at these attitudes in the here and now of May 2020.
You know that I find it inconsistent of you when you make valid point and challenges with regard to the wording and attitudes of Leaver posts - yet always turn a blind eye/give a free pass to the poor posts and attitudes of Remainers - is this just going to be another occasion?
Anyway chaps, we all seem to be missing one of the main points here. Namely, where is this third world war that big Dave promised us if we voted to leave?
I've been sat in my garden shed for 4 years now in camo gear with an old army surplus rifle waiting. I'm beginning to feel like I've been had. You dont think he was lying do you?
Not really - I picked up what you meant - but it would not have been clear to othersI started my post with ‘whilst all that may be true’ does that not give enough of a hint. You having a bad hair day? :-)
I’m not one to defend David Cameron on anything but he didn’t say that
Sadly I don’t have that issue (hairstyle rather than vc’s). I understand your meaning and intend to continue to post in a manner which supports truth, fairness, natural justice and fly fishing ;-).Not really - I picked up what you meant - but it would not have been clear to others
I think that you should be more clear and fulsome in calling these people out is what I was meaning.
I have to be involved in some VCs next week - so I must address the Lockdown hairstyle by then;-)
That's because I'm a proud member of the British working class. The most patriotic people in the country. Who voted in the millions to leave.
We had to delay the 3rd world war due to the 24 Jun 16 emergency budget, house price crash, and mass unemployment.Anyway chaps, we all seem to be missing one of the main points here. Namely, where is this third world war that big Dave promised us if we voted to leave?
I've been sat in my garden shed for 4 years now in camo gear with an old army surplus rifle waiting. I'm beginning to feel like I've been had. You dont think he was lying do you?
The 'Remainer whopper' that I have highlighted in your post and which has been repeatedly stated by Remainers for many years was fully exposed by the document that @Saddleworth2 linked the other day.Well I was being a little tongue in cheek. He actually said
"Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash to make that assumption."
Completely ignoring the very basic fact that if a leave vote was the choice of the british people that in and of itself shouldn't mean that europe stopped security collaboration with us. After all, we have been told for over 40 years that the EEC/EU was only a trading block - no plans for statehood, no plans for political union. Not to mention that it has been NATO that has actually done the peacekeeping post WW2 and we weren't voting to leave Nato. We were just voting to leave a trading block.
The memories and recall capabilities of Remainers has proven to be somewhat selective...……….We had to delay the 3rd world war due to the 24 Jun 16 emergency budget, house price crash, and mass unemployment.
You wanna try growing up prickWhat a mard arse.
I crossed the channel as a foot passenger for £1 after hitching to Dover. I'd come from a council estate in a town where every school leaver was on the dole. My 'rich daddy' collected insurance door to door in Salford. My first job in France was digging holes and I lived in a tent. I wasn't on a gap year or a jolly with daddy's Bank card and neither were the hundreds of people from the UK I met.Well if people are so desperate to live or work abroad they can just go and live and work in one of the world's other countries. As they have for decades.
It might come as a shock to you but I voted leave as I wanted to leave. I believed then and firmly believe now that this was the best choice for the UK. The world's 5th largest economy, the world's 2nd or 3rd most powerful country when combining soft power with real power.
The ease with which affluent trust fund brats could "work" in the Dordogne or "winter" in Val D'Isère could not have been further from my mind.
Kids where I live aren't too fussed that it might be a tiny bit harder to get a job in daddy's bank, Berlin branch.
That's because I'm a proud member of the British working class. The most patriotic people in the country. Who voted in the millions to leave.
And leave we are.
I presume you pointed out to them that Europeans come in different colours?Despicable people. Equally as despicable as the remain voters who told me they were voting remain as "at least that way the immigrants are white"
I crossed the channel as a foot passenger for £1 after hitching to Dover. I'd come from a council estate in a town where every school leaver was on the dole. My 'rich daddy' collected insurance door to door in Salford. My first job in France was digging holes and I lived in a tent. I wasn't on a gap year or a jolly with daddy's Bank card and neither were the hundreds of people from the UK I met.
My whole point is that it was easy to go to Europe without restrictions.
Come for a pint with me anytime you like chief. If you've not heard someone spouting racist shit within an hour I'll pay for your day and a taxi home.I also have made up acquaintances that conform to stereotypes which handily support my views. I'm just going to make up some stuff they didn't actually say and post it. Back in a bit.
Unfortunately it is a wide spread belied that only the rich benefit. Couldn’t be wider of the truth.I crossed the channel as a foot passenger for £1 after hitching to Dover. I'd come from a council estate in a town where every school leaver was on the dole. My 'rich daddy' collected insurance door to door in Salford. My first job in France was digging holes and I lived in a tent. I wasn't on a gap year or a jolly with daddy's Bank card and neither were the hundreds of people from the UK I met.
My whole point is that it was easy to go to Europe without restrictions.
Unfortunately it is a wide spread belied that only the rich benefit. Couldn’t be wider of the truth.
Anyway chaps, we all seem to be missing one of the main points here. Namely, where is this third world war that big Dave promised us if we voted to leave?
I've been sat in my garden shed for 4 years now in camo gear with an old army surplus rifle waiting. I'm beginning to feel like I've been had. You dont think he was lying do you?
You’re sounding increasingly bitter, which I’ve learned is usually a good thing.We conceded the territory of Northern Ireland and agreed to impose a customs border within our own Union as the price for a peace treaty.
Next up. How the UK managed to have more deaths in a pandemic despite other European countries having it first and how the UK thought the best way to navigate the country out of lockdown was to give everyone 12 hours notice and go ‘surprise!’
Oh how we laughed.