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aguerooooo said:
karen i am a diabetic better take my refund from City pointless putting on next season Time was R was only dreaded for RELEGATION I Have had 55 years of life and having 2 great boys and seeing my beloved team win plenty of silverware despite being disabled, i cant complain IT will be typical that i will meet my maker the day we hit on a vaccine
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taking the parents out for dinner on that day are you?
 
Interesting article in the NY Times on why Germany has avoided large number of deaths.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html
Young skiers got it first.
A testing regieme that could be ramped up.
But most important - a distributed health service with case monitoring and early hospital admission if symptoms began to deteriorate.

They think they could have done better if they had a better track and trace system like they did in the far east.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Interesting article in the NY Times on why Germany has avoided large number of deaths.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html
Young skiers got it first.
A pre established track and and trace system that could be extended.
But most important - a distributed health service with case monitoring and early hospital admission if symptoms begin to deteriorate.
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Lots more research needed as to why Germany and the Nordic neighbours had low figures compared to neighbours to the south and west. Especially if (as some want to believe) no tests were reliable until the UK said so.
 
Vic said:
Lots more research needed as to why Germany and the Nordic neighbours had low figures compared to neighbours to the south and west. Especially if (as some want to believe) no tests were reliable until the UK said so.
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Germany and Switzerland have a large medical testing capability through Roche and other companies. We had labs but not the testing capability.
 
Was watching an article on Sky news that asymptomatic people don't get antibodies.
There is, it would appear another imune system mechanism, other than virus specific antibodies, that stops infection - especially in younger people.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Was watching an article on Sky news that asymptomatic people don't get antibodies.
There is, it would appear another imune system mechanism, other than virus specific antibodies, that stops infection - especially in younger people.
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I think that news was out a while ago. Something about killer cells which take out the virus before antibodies even get an opportunity to build. Guessing it's good for the body at the time but not great news in terms of these tests and for building immunity. If antibodies aren't produced and only these killer cells have been used, I don't know if that means your body has literally built no immunity or what.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I think that news was out a while ago. Something about killer cells which take out the virus before antibodies even get an opportunity to build. Guessing it's good for the body at the time but not great news in terms of these tests and for building immunity. If antibodies aren't produced and only these killer cells have been used, I don't know if that means your body has literally built no immunity or what.
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You have to have antibodies for immunity,this virus is throwing up all kinds of things that mean we can't be sure of anything,fascinating but yet scary
 
karen7 said:
You have to have antibodies for immunity,this virus is throwing up all kinds of things that mean we can't be sure of anything,fascinating but yet scary
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Usually that would be the case. But if you get the virus and these cells shoot it down, it'd be pretty weird if you could then pick up the virus again the next day. I'm far from a medical or science expert but surely your body has built up something to prevent it happening again so quick?
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Usually that would be the case. But if you get the virus and these cells shoot it down, it'd be pretty weird if you could then pick up the virus again the next day. I'm far from a medical or science expert but surely your body has built up something to prevent it happening again so quick?
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depends on different strains and then having some sort of immunity when you for some reason become more vulnerable.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Usually that would be the case. But if you get the virus and these cells shoot it down, it'd be pretty weird if you could then pick up the virus again the next day. I'm far from a medical or science expert but surely your body has built up something to prevent it happening again so quick?
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Absolutely your body will and does. If it didn't the death rate would be umpteen times what it is now.
 
gavvo said:
Absolutely your body will and does. If it didn't the death rate would be umpteen times what it is now.
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It's just if those cells can then do it again. We don't know that yet. Presumably so, but who fucking knows? It's confusing this virus.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Usually that would be the case. But if you get the virus and these cells shoot it down, it'd be pretty weird if you could then pick up the virus again the next day. I'm far from a medical or science expert but surely your body has built up something to prevent it happening again so quick?
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Not sure,guessing I would say you might get protection till that acute illness phase has gone so maybe a couple of weeks or something then everything settled down and then it could come back as you didn't get any actual immunity,just a guess though,i have have studied the immune system many times to exam levels but that was a long time ago
The immunity question is what fasinates me the most and why nobody will commit yet after they initially said it would act the same as other corona viruses
 
twosips said:
It's just if those cells can then do it again. We don't know that yet. Presumably so, but who fucking knows? It's confusing this virus.
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But we do know that, because of the numbers of people who have had it and are now fine with no continuing underlying health conditions. Well, according to the people who are treating them anyway.
 
gavvo said:
But we do know that, because of the numbers of people who have had it and are now fine with no continuing underlying health conditions. Well, according to the people who are treating them anyway.
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Yes, but are we sure that none of them can catch it again though? And that if they do, symptoms will always be mild? It's surely too soon to say that.

(Just to clarify, im talking about those who beat it without showing antibodies)
 
gavvo said:
We can be sure that in many many cases the human body sorts it out.
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No doubt you can fight it off the question is whether you get enough or good enough quality antibodies to become immune,studies so far are suggesting that some age groups don't produce any decent antibodies and some do,this is the interesting bit and not quite what is expected
The antibody test will give us answers but as the CMO at the briefing said today you can't rush science,people will need to tested and re-tested for some time
 
twosips said:
Yes, but are we sure that none of them can catch it again though? And that if they do, symptoms will always be mild? It's surely too soon to say that.

(Just to clarify, im talking about those who beat it without showing antibodies)
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Who knows the future with anything ? But Im guessing by now we all know people who have had it (confirmed by tests) and are absolutely 100%. They might get it again, they might not, as you say nobody knows, but they are alive and well and fully fit
 
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