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karen7 said:
No doubt you can fight it off the question is whether you get enough or good enough quality antibodies to become immune,studies so far are suggesting that some age groups don't produce any decent antibodies and some do,this is the interesting bit and not quite what is expected
The antibody test will give us answers but as the CMO at the briefing said today you can't rush science,people will need to tested and re-tested for some time
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Im not talking about immunity Karen Im talking about the ability of the body to fight the thing off anyway without full immunity, which happens in the vast majority of cases
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I think that news was out a while ago. Something about killer cells which take out the virus before antibodies even get an opportunity to build. Guessing it's good for the body at the time but not great news in terms of these tests and for building immunity. If antibodies aren't produced and only these killer cells have been used, I don't know if that means your body has literally built no immunity or what.
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I guess it's good news in a way in that they caught it and recovered before the immune system became fully engaged. The important questions are:
1. Can people who recover spread the virus after initial infection before recovery.
2. With subsequent reinfection, does the imune system respond immediately preventing spread of the virus or does the whole process start from scratch.
Both have big impacts on the posibility of 2nd or subsequent infection waves.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
Watched a program on BBC catch up at a family members house whilst social distancing as we don't have a TV License etc. It was called Hospital and one of the most harrowing watches I have seen this year. If you get a chance tune in as staff at the Royal Free London battle it out with Covid-19. Contains strong language and some very upsetting scenes.
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Just watched both episodes, that really hit home what all the staff in hospitals had to cope with at the height of covid. Like you said very harrowing watch, how a patient can go downhill so quickly,

We owe a fucking big debt of gratitude to all the nhs staff.
 
karen7 said:
Not sure,guessing I would say you might get protection till that acute illness phase has gone so maybe a couple of weeks or something then everything settled down and then it could come back as you didn't get any actual immunity,just a guess though,i have have studied the immune system many times to exam levels but that was a long time ago
The immunity question is what fasinates me the most and why nobody will commit yet after they initially said it would act the same as other corona viruses
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Are there any documented cases of reinfection ? Can't say I've seen any, and enough people in the world have had it by now for an educated guess.
 
2 months since my first symptoms. Now had swab test and negative but I’m not sleeping well, get warm and tired at the end if the day and have very little taste and smell. Anyone else still experiencing this?

I’ve also had the blood test also. I have the antibodies that give you a longer term immunity but also the different antibodies that you get a put the start of the infection. This is the puzzle, does my body think it’s still fighting a new infection or is it fighting secondary infections? Either way it keeps pulling me down. Very frustrating.
 
BJL_City said:
you said you were meeting your maker the day you get your vaccine, so I twisted it round from being about you dying to doing something nice like taking your parents (your actual makers) out for dinner instead.[/QUOTE Got it sorry its past my bed time
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cleavers said:
As I don't subscribe, cab you explain what this has to do with the virus, or is it purely political ? If it is can you post it in the other thread in the political forum please.
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Wrong thread I moved it to the right one and deleted the original.
 
There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from Covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection," the organisation said.
According to Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...id-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1498

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...s-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/#6763

There have been a few in Korea and China 12 of them had shown it was a testing issue,there are some in america and in Italy a footballer tested positive four times

@cleavers
 
I don’t think we’ll know for a long time if there’s a 100% immunity - i suspect there will be some cases where someone get reinfected, but in the main that will be pretty rare.
 
karen7 said:
There have been a few in Korea and China 12 of them had shown it was a testing issue,there are some in america and in Italy a footballer tested positive four times
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Some of that could be faulty tests, there seems to be plenty on the go.

When there is a confirmed case of someone that's had it, having it again, but 3 1/2 million people have been tested positive around the world and there are only a handful of stories suggesting that someone could have had it more than once, its a pretty big sample, even in a very much larger world population.
 
The Colonel said:
2 months since my first symptoms. Now had swab test and negative but I’m not sleeping well, get warm and tired at the end if the day and have very little taste and smell. Anyone else still experiencing this?

I’ve also had the blood test also. I have the antibodies that give you a longer term immunity but also the different antibodies that you get a put the start of the infection. This is the puzzle, does my body think it’s still fighting a new infection or is it fighting secondary infections? Either way it keeps pulling me down. Very frustrating.
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Can't help with the answers to your questions mate. Either way I hope you're on the mend soon. Can imagine the frustration would be difficult but you'll get there.
 
cleavers said:
Some of that could be faulty tests, there seems to be plenty on the go.

When there is a confirmed case of someone that's had it, having it again, but 3 1/2 million people have been tested positive around the world and there are only a handful of stories suggesting that someone could have had it more than once, its a pretty big sample, even in a very much larger world population.
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Yeah I think in the case of Dybala and some of the south Koreans they were testing positive 4,5,6 weeks after being symptom free but what they were finding was dead lung cells which were still giving off a positive reading even though they were actually no longer infected.

I sort of have to agree with @gavvo and its only guesswork not based on any scientific knowledge but surely those who are fighting off the virus before producing antibodies are still capable of producing some kind of natural immunity, even if it's not through the usual means of antibodies themselves. As I say, just guesswork but would make sense to me or else the infection rate would be higher with young folk getting infected time and time again already?
 
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