UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[franksinatra]

Not sure how old you are frank but the early and mid 80’s weren’t much to write home about

43 mate. Growing up they were known as the ‘glory years’.

 

[Woody135]

Correct. They don't have to audit our FFP compliance, just that our accounts show a 'true and fair' view. They will have formed a view on whether Etihad & the other Abu Dhabi companies are related parties however and they clearly accepted they weren't. If not then the'market value' test isn't applicable.

Having been on the audit side of a premier league club in the last 5 years, we did have to “review” their FFP filing so it is subject to procedures by auditors but no opinion provided. At least this was what it was at the time

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Having been on the audit side of a premier league club in the last 5 years, we did have to “review” their FFP filing so it is subject to procedures by auditors but no opinion provided. At least this was what it was at the time

Presumably you'd check it was filled in correctly but not asking the directors if any of the sponsorship revenue came from the owners indirectly?

 

[dickie davies]

My perfect outcome for this is that UEFA's entire evidence is the Der Spiegel articles and we prove without any doubt the funds were paid by our sponsors. We are exonerated, UEFA get a right old bollocking from CAS and then we sue the arse off Der Spiegel for defamation

 

[Newman Noggs]

Better minds than me on here. My only legal knowledge comes from the English Civil Courts and that’s only from the administrative side.
Now I have seen often, very often to be honest, cases that were totally in a state of logjam suddenly settling ‘on the steps’ so to speak. Now my question is could this happen In our case? A carefully worded statement from both parties? I actually asked a Judge, an Evertonian, this question and he didn’t know, to be fair he does specialise in insolvency law, might ask him about yoonited next week!

It could. In any proceedings the parties can settle out of Court. I've seen a High Court judge send the parties out after several days' evidence with a clear steer to come to an agreement with serious criticism of both sides for not doing so prior to the Hearing.

My gut feeling, though, is that we're long past that point. Neither side can back down now.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

 

[richards30]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

surprised city haven’t employed a hacker themselves to dish dirt on tour rivals? Liverpool might be able to help us get one? ;-)

 

[Bill the Blue]

43 mate. Growing up they were known as the ‘glory years’.

I was 43 once Frank..!

If you halve the amount of years the dippers have been waiting to win something decent, add it to yours and subtract 1, next Wednesday, that's how old I'll be..



Slow down, I want to get off now.. Haha..!

 

[BringBackSwales]

43 mate. Growing up they were known as the ‘glory years’.

Fucking lol

 

[BringBackSwales]

It could. In any proceedings the parties can settle out of Court. I've seen a High Court judge send the parties out after several days' evidence with a clear steer to come to an agreement with serious criticism of both sides for not doing so prior to the Hearing.

My gut feeling, though, is that we're long past that point. Neither side can back down now.

Hasn’t the head of uefa already recently distanced himself from this issue?

 

[chaddblue]

surprised city haven’t employed a hacker themselves to dish dirt on tour rivals? Liverpool might be able to help us get one? ;-)

Maybe they have and we’re waiting for the right moment to unleash a firestorm for maximum damage to our enemies

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Here's another important question?

Didn't Uefa withhold £10m in fines following the previous settlement, dispersed amongst the Uefa family?

If City go hunting for heads on spikes, then could we sue for that cash back if we do hold incriminating evidence of a coordinated stitch-up?

Uefa can't have it both ways. On the one hand it was a final settlement, yet they have reopened it...

That makes the £10m fair game now?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Maybe they have and we’re waiting for the right moment to unleash a firestorm for maximum damage to our enemies

I don't subscribe to that theory, sadly.

We have been involved in two gnats-hair title races with the rats.

At any such time, an information dump of incriminating evidence could have proved crucial both on and off the pitch.

In 2014 we had them bang to rights on hacking our database and settled for a measly £1m.

For a start, we would be talking today about how we had another two Premier League titles for 2014 and 2019...

 

[asahartford1]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

You could have a future.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I don't subscribe to that theory, sadly.

We have been involved in two gnats-hair title races with the rats.

At any such time, an information dump of incriminating evidence could have proved crucial both on and off the pitch.

In 2014 we had them bang to rights on hacking our database and settled for a measly £1m.

For a start, we would be talking today about how we had another two Premier League titles for 2014 and 2019...

As you rightly say th £1m settlement was pathetic considering what the club had over them. Seems like a poorly thought out decision from City .

 

[SilverFox2]

Here's another important question?

Didn't Uefa withhold £10m in fines following the previous settlement, dispersed amongst the Uefa family?

If City go hunting for heads on spikes, then could we sue for that cash back if we do hold incriminating evidence of a coordinated stitch-up?

Uefa can't have it both ways. On the one hand it was a final settlement, yet they have reopened it...

That makes the £10m fair game now?

Seems they are all a bit strapped for cash now even United
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52759246

perhaps our owner could invoice the known recipients at the compound interest applicable then sue them for non payment.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

Hmmm. Not so sure about the Bayern connection which is a shame really....

Der Spiegel definitely went after Bayern and Rummenigge in particular.

The following is from a print I did from Der Spiegel at the time. Unfortunately, the link has now disappeared.

"Can you imagine Bayern Munich withdrawing from the Bundesliga, Germany's national football league, and only playing
away games in places like Barcelona and Madrid from now on? Can you picture a battle for the German league
championship without the best players and best teams? Is it conceivable that the country's most successful team is
involved in the planning of a European "Super League," and perhaps even exploring whether it can withhold its players
from the German national team? Completely implausible, right?

Wrong. In 2016, FC Bayern spent months forging its plan for a Super League with the most powerful and the richest
football clubs in Europe. They managed to keep under wraps just how meticulously they were pursuing an elite league for
quite some time, but now the secret's out. Confidential documents show that many top clubs are still pursuing plans for
a Super League."

And:

"What does FC Bayern Chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge have to say about the much-described football values? The same
Rummenigge who, in a memorable press conference invoked the first article of the German constitution to
demand "respect" for veteran football players.

Rummenigge, the Football Leaks documents show, was instrumental in
the preparation of a revolution against UEFA by the largest European clubs. And he did so while keeping it secret from the
European Club Association (ECA), which represents the interests of more than 200 European clubs, despite being
chairman of that organization. This week, the investigative series reveals:
• that FC Bayern Munich checked whether and how it could leave the Bundesliga to join a European "Super League;"
• that FC Bayern explored its legal options for withdrawing its players from the German national team;
• that Rummenigge's closest confidante negotiated a reform with the football association UEFA, which has made rich
clubs even richer and competition in Europe even more unfair;
• that at the same time, the Bavarians made plans to reverse this very reform;
• that Bayern Munich, together with 15 other leading European clubs, appears on a draft of a "binding term sheet,"
which foresees the creation of a European Super League;
• and that this term sheet , according to a draft, is intended to be signed in November 2018.

The investigative reports are protected under Article 5 of the German constitution, which guarantees freedom of the
press. Here you can read the full story about Rummenigges surreptitious efforts"

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

It seems to have been forgotten in the midsts of time, but it is well worth remembering the Der Spiegel articles and how they were written.

Outside of a few hacked documents, it was primarily padded out over five days with nothing more than spiteful words to denigrate the club and its history, laying it on thick when it came to our lack of success over the last few decades.

It spoke as if we had basically appeared in 2008 and offered plenty of superior moralising.

City were right to cite it as a clear attempt to damage the club's name.

For me, however, the narrative from De Spiegel betrayed quite a lot in terms of an agenda being served on behalf of an outside party.

It had a very German-centric influence that wreaked of Bayern undertones.

My other conclusion, based on the current politics, are all roads pointing towards Qatar, certainly in light of the recent Facebook revelations about negative accounts being set up about City in India?

Both seriously have the motive. We know the hacker by name but he had no input into how it was presented?

On the German connection, Pinto's bank was Deutsche bank, after he stole 300k+ from account's at the Caledonian bank, the Caledonian bank asked the Deutsche bank for his identity, the Deutsche bank refused to give him up even though they knew he was a hacker and a thief.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

surprised city haven’t employed a hacker themselves to dish dirt on tour rivals? Liverpool might be able to help us get one? ;-)

The people who found Pinto were a British private security firm, get them onboard ;)

 

[HalfwayUpTheKippax]

43 mate. Growing up they were known as the ‘glory years’.

Well I suppose we had what were known as The Boys From Wham playing for us! Andy May was one, can't remember who his side kick was. Can any similarly OC enlighten me?