Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

Just in case anyone was doubting that the growing calls for an extension is entirely Remainer driven and intended for the EU's benefit - along comes that call for an extension from someone that should remove any doubt.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/new...-by-two-years-to-deal-with-pandemic-fall-out/


The desire for an extension is to provide the EU the opportunity to play their repetitive game of replacing the light at the end of the tunnel - with more tunnel.

For UK Remainers the hope is fairly transparent. They are dismayed that a government committed to Brexit will have 4 years to go after we have left and then by the time of the next GE the departure from the EU will have become recognised to have been a good thing - at least certainly not the series of cataclysms that the Remainers have prophesised/promised.

What they are really hoping for, IMO, is that the departure date can be extended by an initial 2 years - that will allow a further campaign to be undertaken to lead to further extensions. Hopefully, in their minds, we will still be in the EU by the time of the next GE and that could bring them another chance to stop Brexit altogether.

I expect that some of the arch-Remainers, whilst recognising that the pandemic is a tragic event, see the silver lining as being the opportunity to eat away a good chunk of the 4 years until the next GE

As I say, transparent - but such a tactic is the well-established MO of the EU - and the government need the resolve to recognise it for what it is and ignore it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Just in case anyone was doubting that the growing calls for an extension is entirely Remainer driven and intended for the EU's benefit - along comes that call for an extension from someone that should remove any doubt.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/new...-by-two-years-to-deal-with-pandemic-fall-out/


The desire for an extension is to provide the EU the opportunity to play their repetitive game of replacing the light at the end of the tunnel - with more tunnel.

For UK Remainers the hope is fairly transparent. They are dismayed that a government committed to Brexit will have 4 years to go after we have left and then by the time of the next GE the departure from the EU will have become recognised to have been a good thing - at least certainly not the series of cataclysms that the Remainers have prophesised/promised.

What they are really hoping for, IMO, is that the departure date can be extended by an initial 2 years - that will allow a further campaign to be undertaken to lead to further extensions. Hopefully, in their minds, we will still be in the EU by the time of the next GE and that could bring them another chance to stop Brexit altogether.

I expect that some of the arch-Remainers, whilst recognising that the pandemic is a tragic event, see the silver lining as being the opportunity to eat away a good chunk of the 4 years until the next GE

As I say, transparent - but such a tactic is the well-established MO of the EU - and the government need the resolve to recognise it for what it is and ignore it.

Ken Clarke eh? He just will not let it go will he.

 

[mcfc1632]

Ken Clarke eh? He just will not let it go will he.

I think that he posts on here;-)

 

[Vic]

Just in case anyone was doubting that the growing calls for an extension is entirely Remainer driven and intended for the EU's benefit - along comes that call for an extension from someone that should remove any doubt.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/new...-by-two-years-to-deal-with-pandemic-fall-out/


The desire for an extension is to provide the EU the opportunity to play their repetitive game of replacing the light at the end of the tunnel - with more tunnel.

For UK Remainers the hope is fairly transparent. They are dismayed that a government committed to Brexit will have 4 years to go after we have left and then by the time of the next GE the departure from the EU will have become recognised to have been a good thing - at least certainly not the series of cataclysms that the Remainers have prophesised/promised.

What they are really hoping for, IMO, is that the departure date can be extended by an initial 2 years - that will allow a further campaign to be undertaken to lead to further extensions. Hopefully, in their minds, we will still be in the EU by the time of the next GE and that could bring them another chance to stop Brexit altogether.

I expect that some of the arch-Remainers, whilst recognising that the pandemic is a tragic event, see the silver lining as being the opportunity to eat away a good chunk of the 4 years until the next GE

As I say, transparent - but such a tactic is the well-established MO of the EU - and the government need the resolve to recognise it for what it is and ignore it.

So now you think Remainers really think Brexit will turn out to be a good thing (in four years rather than the fifty you previously gave it to pay off) and see the pandemic as a silver lining.

You really have become addicted to unicorns. You want to bat on now because (the "inconvenient truth IMO") the economic damage of the pandemic will disguise the damage of Brexit.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I think that he posts on here;-)

I've been rumbled.

 

[BobKowalski]

In more predictable news given the state of the morons in charge, our goal of 50,000 custom agents is looking problematic along with the zillion other things that are looking problematic. And all this in a week when we hit the highest death rate per capita in the world from the pandemic and the brains of the operation is driving whilst blind. There is a metaphor somewhere in all of this.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

In more predictable news given the state of the morons in charge, our goal of 50,000 custom agents is looking problematic along with the zillion other things that are looking problematic. And all this in a week when we hit the highest death rate per capita in the world from the pandemic and the brains of the operation is driving whilst blind. There is a metaphor somewhere in all of this.

I thought the giveaway to the likely trouble ahead, was when Automaton Patel announced her ridiculous 2 week quarantine rules. It applies to almost everyone except the Irish, seasonal agricultural workers and anyone driving a lorry. It does suggest that it might not be plain sailing from January after all....

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

In more predictable news given the state of the morons in charge, our goal of 50,000 custom agents is looking problematic along with the zillion other things that are looking problematic. And all this in a week when we hit the highest death rate per capita in the world from the pandemic and the brains of the operation is driving whilst blind. There is a metaphor somewhere in all of this.

Surely all this could be solved by getting rid of BJ and Cummings and extending the transition period long enough for the Govt to fall and a Starmer led labour govt to get in. It would then simply be a case of revoking and remaining? I'm surprised no one has thought of this.

 

[mcfc1632]

Surely all this could be solved by getting rid of BJ and Cummings and extending the transition period long enough for the Govt to fall and a Starmer led labour govt to get in. It would then simply be a case of revoking and remaining? I'm surprised no one has thought of this.

That post should be preceded by a drumroll....

Well done - and looking at the poster that first 'liked' your post you have performed an excellent piece of sardonic wit - and been quickly rewarded by an early 'whoosh'

I did comment a while ago that I really admire your skills in this

Other posters I see continue the tactic of being devious and always deceiving by twisting the words people post to mean something other than was posted.....

and they wonder why people do not bother to engage - quite a sad habit really

 

[mcfc1632]

I have often pointed out:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0526/1142647-brexit-fish-talks/

I really hope that we do not fall for some mickey mouse quid pro quo bartering trap - we need to be fully clear of EU controls and regulations

 

[west didsblue]

Now that we’ve established on the Johnson thread that for some people getting Brexit done takes precedence over having a competent government that would have a better chance of saving British citizens’ lives, the fanaticism is clear and obvious. Reasoned discussion is pointless.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Now that we’ve established on the Johnson thread that for some people getting Brexit done takes precedence over having a competent government that would have a better chance of saving British citizens’ lives, the fanaticism is clear and obvious. Reasoned discussion is pointless.

.......with either side. Both only see their view as reasonable.

 

[west didsblue]

.......with either side. Both only see their view as reasonable.

As you’ve not come out and said said getting Brexit done is more important than a competent government focussed on saving lives, your Brexit views might be worth discussing.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

As you’ve not come out and said said getting Brexit done is more important than a competent government focussed on saving lives, your Brexit views might be worth discussing.

Coming out. Lol - can we have a party? :-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Now that we’ve established on the Johnson thread that for some people getting Brexit done takes precedence over having a competent government that would have a better chance of saving British citizens’ lives, the fanaticism is clear and obvious. Reasoned discussion is pointless.

Have you ever tried that approach? I must have missed that post.

Of course there is the other tactic some Remainers practice - being devious and deceitful in the manner in which they twist the words of other posters.

I have not posted much in the Johnson thread, but I have never made such an assertion.

Also, when I have read it I have not seen anyone else make such an assertion - are you sure that you are not simply making things up???

 

[west didsblue]

Have you ever tried that approach? I must have missed that post.

Of course there is the other tactic some Remainers practice - being devious and deceitful in the manner in which they twist the words of other posters.

I have not posted much in the Johnson thread, but I have never made such an assertion.

Also, when I have read it I have not seen anyone else make such an assertion - are you sure that you are not simply making things up???

he's always been a loon, but a likeable one. is he fit for office? the pubic and his colleagues obviously think so. he's too weak for me but if he sees Brexit through i dont give a shit.

Well said - again

 

[BobKowalski]

More Brexit news. Source Guardian.

‘More bad news for UK. EU diplomats - who have now read UK texts - back Michel Barnier’s charge that UK is cherry picking. UK sources were withering about Barnier resorting to the “old script”, but British claims of wanting 'the best of Canada' don’t convince.

Here are a handful of areas where the EU thinks the UK is effectively seeking status quo: mutual recognition agreements for industry; professional services, such as law and auditing; energy interconnection on the internal market; rights for lorry drivers and more.

And there is an eye-rolling weariness every time a British negotiator pronounces that the UK is a sovereign state. The EU say they they know this. They are also sovereign states. That’s why they set the conditions for entry into their market. Hard cheese.’

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If we accept that the 2016 ref was essentially a 50/50 result - maybe only tipped in the favour of leave by posters, things on the side of a bus and racism, with a similarly close GE when May had to employ the DUP to form a govt (another inconclusive vote either way in brexit terms) how did we then get from there to BJ' thumping 80 seat majority based purely on the 'get brexit done' tag line?.

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh !!

So, as just asked on the Johnson thread, you are indeed twisting the words of others to mean something else - and indeed, using this disastrous pandemic for the purpose of political point-scoring.

Over the years, I have not had much time for your views and have found you to be obsessed with practicing ad hominem in your posting style - but I had given you more credit than that....

Anyway, I am not going to get sucked into such a 'disappointing' use of this terrible pandemic - you will have to crack on with it yourself.

 

[mcfc1632]

More Brexit news. Source Guardian.

‘More bad news for UK. EU diplomats - who have now read UK texts - back Michel Barnier’s charge that UK is cherry picking. UK sources were withering about Barnier resorting to the “old script”, but British claims of wanting 'the best of Canada' don’t convince.

Here are a handful of areas where the EU thinks the UK is effectively seeking status quo: mutual recognition agreements for industry; professional services, such as law and auditing; energy interconnection on the internal market; rights for lorry drivers and more.

And there is an eye-rolling weariness every time a British negotiator pronounces that the UK is a sovereign state. The EU say they they know this. They are also sovereign states. That’s why they set the conditions for entry into their market. Hard cheese.’

And that is deemed to be 'bad news'?

Strange