Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

west didsblue
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Now that we’ve established on the Johnson thread that for some people getting Brexit done takes precedence over having a competent government that would have a better chance of saving British citizens’ lives, the fanaticism is clear and obvious. Reasoned discussion is pointless.

Those inconvenient truths...………...

 

[mcfc1632]

Just had a bit of a catch up with brexit news as tbh I've (like many I suppose) paid more attention to virus news recently. It does seem like the UK are being inflexible and wanting their cake and to eat it in terms of retaining benefits after leaving - I don't feel this is realistic. For their part the EU seem to be making demands which under normal circumstances you would only accept after losing a war. They too seem unbending and seem prepared to weaponise the status of ex pats which seems poor. If I can put aside my mad right wing racist little England mentality for just a moment, it does seem both sides need to cede ground for mutual benefit.

The process of negotiation - at least when you have not been deliberately encased into the role of supplicant by May/Robbins

 

[BlueAnorak]

Just had a bit of a catch up with brexit news as tbh I've (like many I suppose) paid more attention to virus news recently. It does seem like the UK are being inflexible and wanting their cake and to eat it in terms of retaining benefits after leaving - I don't feel this is realistic. For their part the EU seem to be making demands which under normal circumstances you would only accept after losing a war. They too seem unbending and seem prepared to weaponise the status of ex pats which seems poor. If I can put aside my mad right wing racist little England mentality for just a moment, it does seem both sides need to cede ground for mutual benefit.

If both sides except the sovereignty of the other then a deal is possible. But frankly I can't see the EU doing that in a billion years.

 

[mcfc1632]

‘often’ is the biggest understatement I’ve ever seen.

It will only be used until either:

a) even though it has already been proven to be factual, further EU actions emphasise its veracity and/or

b) Remainers on here stop with their continued denial of what is a simple fact - which has already been proven to be true

TBH - I get bored of repeating it - it should not be necessary

 

[west didsblue]

Another strange post - that is clearly more of an attempt at distraction.....

You state that @Bill and myself held the view that:

".....getting Brexit done takes precedence over having a competent government that would have a better chance of saving British citizens’ lives..."

are you maintaining that?

If not - IMO, you should apologise - at least to @Bill.

Personally I couldn't give a shit (although I accept that you will probably use that to mis-represent what I have actually said)

Fucking hell.

You must have quoted and tagged me 15 times today based on one post. You have also tagged Bill even more in your pathetic attention seeking effort.

Not fucking interested you weirdo. Go and troll someone else.

 

[BlueHammer85]

TBH - I get bored of repeating it - it should not be necessary

then for the love of god. Stop repeating it. No one cares about this point you constantly make.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If both sides except the sovereignty of the other then a deal is possible. But frankly I can't see the EU doing that in a billion years.

If they'd it'll be late in the day. I suspect they have too much invested in a deal so bad that we have to rejoin and to serve as a deterrent to stop others escaping. Sadly that will probably lead to the 'no deal' that is no good to anyone.

 

[BobKowalski]

Whilst I am not surprised....

This is still a strange post as - in my post that you reply to - I do not refer at all to:

"... *checks notes* a fisheries deal"

Perhaps you have just had a hard day looking for articles on Newsnow that are critical of Brexit - or is that @Ifwecouldjust....... ??? that does that? - it is getting harder to tell some posters apart

You replied to my post which was exclusively about *checks notes* the fisheries deal. I assume you didn’t read my post before replying with the usual word jumble.

 

[BobKowalski]

And - your point is.....?

A fairly good read and well worth pointing out a document that reflects the UK starting to actually act as an independent nation and stop toadying to the EU diktats - so thanks for reminding us

My point is that I was replying to another poster who is labouring under the impression we are seeking a simple deal with the EU when the actual proposal we have tabled is not simple and is asking for a unique and special deal in certain areas, specifically tariffs, Services, Security and Data sharing.

 

[BobKowalski]

If both sides except the sovereignty of the other then a deal is possible. But frankly I can't see the EU doing that in a billion years.

They do accept our sovereignty. They just don’t care.

 

[mcfc1632]

Fucking hell.

You must have quoted and tagged me 15 times today based on one post. You have also tagged Bill even more in your pathetic attention seeking effort.

Not fucking interested you weirdo. Go and troll someone else.

Ha - so you are not manning up and apologising to @Bill ?

I did mention that you would demonstrate your character and values...…….

Was ….."sorry Bill - I just was so keen to score a cheap point I fucked up..." so hard to say??

It certainly seems so

Anyway - I will (try and) leave you to your desperate squirming - just like Cummings, surely manning up would have been easier??

 

[mcfc1632]

then for the love of god. Stop repeating it. No one cares about this point you constantly make.

Not sure that you are positioned to speak for everyone TBH

You - and other Remainers might get irritated - but I am sure that some Leavers feel it is appropriate that the key truths are pointed out.

 

[mcfc1632]

You replied to my post which was exclusively about *checks notes* the fisheries deal. I assume you didn’t read my post before replying with the usual word jumble.

Oh I did - and a quick re-read demonstrates that it is you that have failed to understand the flow of posts

 

[Vic]

You replied to my post which was exclusively about *checks notes* the fisheries deal. I assume you didn’t read my post before replying with the usual word jumble.

He doesn't do fish, or food, or finance, or factories. All just collateral damage in his victory.

 

[mcfc1632]

For those interested in the reality of the workings of this wonderfully cohesive and collegiate group of 27 'sovereign nations' - these links are interesting (only brief articles).……...
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...ants-which-do-not-need-to-be-repaid-1.4262346
https://rmx.news/article/article/cz...rench-german-recovery-plan-goes-through-study
Few things to consider from these articles - there are many more - including...

• The extent to which the EUParl will be able to demonstrate that it has any real strength to resist the will of the Commission
• The extent to which the Commission will be able to use the pandemic to push through further controls over 'Sovereign nations' and further integration
• The extent to which the Germany and France 'call the tune' - the other 'frugal' Northern nations, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Holland must be feeling somewhat 'let down'
• Be interesting to see the attitudes of previously 'net beneficiaries' becoming 'net payers' - especially Poland - having to stump up > 10bn euros
• How well France will do out of the fund

Just will all go to show what a sustainable construct the EU is - I am sure that it will all be collegiate and seamless

Most of all - I am considering how positive it is for the UK not to be part of that process!!

 

[BobKowalski]

Oh I did - and a quick re-read demonstrates that it is you that have failed to understand the flow of posts

‘The flow of posts’? What the fucking fuck does that even mean? Does it mean you reply to a post on a specific subject with the answer to the post from the one before? Is this is fucking ‘Two Ronnies’ sketch?

Fuck the fuck off with this babbling twattery.

 

[Vic]

‘The flow of posts’? What the fucking fuck does that even mean? Does it mean you reply to a post on a specific subject with the answer to the post from the one before? Is this is fucking ‘Two Ronnies’ sketch?

Fuck the fuck off with this babbling twattery.

Bob, I long since gave up getting past the babbling. You just have to come up with a good point and take what satisfaction you can from knowing he'll ignore it and go into repetitive babbling mode.

 

[Vic]

For those interested in the reality of the workings of this wonderfully cohesive and collegiate group of 27 'sovereign nations' - these links are interesting (only brief articles).……...
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...ants-which-do-not-need-to-be-repaid-1.4262346
https://rmx.news/article/article/cz...rench-german-recovery-plan-goes-through-study
Few things to consider from these articles - there are many more - including...

• The extent to which the EUParl will be able to demonstrate that it has any real strength to resist the will of the Commission
• The extent to which the Commission will be able to use the pandemic to push through further controls over 'Sovereign nations' and further integration
• The extent to which the Germany and France 'call the tune' - the other 'frugal' Northern nations, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Holland must be feeling somewhat 'let down'
• Be interesting to see the attitudes of previously 'net beneficiaries' becoming 'net payers' - especially Poland - having to stump up > 10bn euros
• How well France will do out of the fund

Just will all go to show what a sustainable construct the EU is - I am sure that it will all be collegiate and seamless

Most of all - I am considering how positive it is for the UK not to be part of that process!!

I've not done the sums, but since we've had way more deaths and disruption than any other country in Europe, wouldn't we be in line to be a beneficiary of any Covid reconstruction package?

(I don't really care about the sums. It's just a way of pointing out that the liars that gave us Brexit have lied us into being in that world-beating number of deaths position. If we were one of the "frugal nations" it must be because we are so frugal with the truth.)

 

[west didsblue]

Bob, I long since gave up getting past the babbling. You just have to come up with a good point and take what satisfaction you can from knowing he'll ignore it and go into repetitive babbling mode.

Or tell him that people like him see Brexit as more important than competence when it comes to a Prime Minister’s credentials.

Actually don’t bother. You’ll never hear the end of it.

 

[stonerblue]

You make some excellent points - aka "inconvenient truths"

I have, for years now, regarded the 'so-called hard-left' posters on here as basically KFAs

Only, before your input, @Rascal has been an example of an hard-left poster that has ever shown even an inkling of how EU membership is an inhibitor to achieving a socialist state.

So many on here are just faux hard-left/serial protestors that actually know fuck all about the detail.

Noted and bookmarked..