What you have to remember is anything bad that ever happens to our country From here on in is directly because of Brexit in remainers eyes
As for the the losers of the general election 2019, sorry I mean opposition parties. To write to the eu asking about an extension....this is a national disgrace.
But we’ve seen it before they just will not let the democratic wishes of the uk voters go without trying to undermine the whole thing.
Eh?So you are not against an extension per se, just any extension of two years or excessive duration?
We are not 'Ploughing ahead' simply doing what we said we would do, leave the EU.Ploughing ahead with a plan while failing to respond to the new economic realities of the post pandemic world would be a national disgrace. I wouldn't advocate a two year delay but a period of letting the dust settle and reevaluating where we are at wouldn't be such a bad idea.
We are not 'Ploughing ahead' simply doing what we said we would do, leave the EU.
Yes, my apologies for the flippancy.OK, so continuing with the plan in a non ploughing way. Fair enough.
Call them 'boomer' and they lose their minds.I don't mind it, to be honest, we call you 'Losers' which tends to balance things up
a bit.
Eh?
Of course not, and we won't be asking for one, because there is no point in doing so.
So the venerable Ed Davey is pissing in the wind, which is what he's always done, really.
How do you know there is no point? If we agree a deal in November and then have a further six month or one year extension period in which to prepare for new regulations and customs procedures especially with respect to GB/NI then is that not sensible?
Disappointing to see these posts
My comment is clearly talking about the subject of Brexit - posted on the Brexit thread. I am clearly referring to the situation whereby....
a) before the GE if such a bill had been brought before parliament it "......would have made me groan" and also - back in those days......
b) "...….we would have had so many posts on here explaining why an extension was good for the UK" - because that was the experience of 2017-December 2019
Why have either of you sought to suggest some indifference from me to the dreadful events caused by the pandemic?
On Tuesday a Remain poster was using the pandemic for the purpose of political point-scoring - I believe that it is highly inappropriate and disrespectful to do that.
This is the Brexit thread and is here for the purpose of discussing Brexit - IMO people should not use the dreadful events of the pandemic to score points on here.
Someone of us enjoy the religious enthusiasm for all things remain.I think only the most ardent zealots are still focussed purely on Brexit right now.
Obviously he hasn’t read the WA. Only the EU/UK 'Joint Committee' can jointly invoke Article 132 and extend the transition period for one or two years, EU law still prevails during the current transition period, so Parliament is irrelevant in this instance.Only 6 months ago this news would have made me groan - and we would have had so many posts on here explaining why an extension was good for the UK
Life has been so much better since December 2019
I think the point of the mid year deadline for a deal is to give a 6 month lead in to no deal if that happens. Once we go past June both sides give up the talks and start to prepare for the WTO tariffs and customs checks. At some point you have to just accept that talks are a waste of time.How do you know there is no point? If we agree a deal in November and then have a further six month or one year extension period in which to prepare for new regulations and customs procedures especially with respect to GB/NI then is that not sensible?
To be blunt @BobKowalski - I got this far:You wrote all this in an attempt to redefine the word ‘anything’? Remarkable.
You also think that a country that botched the introduction of lockdown, has botched the rules governing lockdown - and will no doubt botch the lifting of lockdown by going for it too early without the operational systems in place - has recorded the highest worldwide Covid 19 death rate per capita, is subsidising UK industry and its workforce to the tune of over £22 billion and rising might not just pause for thought and examine whether its priorities have changed just a tad since January? That our main priority is a virus and not the French or the Germans?
Has it occurred to you that out of all the European countries we are negotiating with the UK might just be in a lot worse shape than most of them come the end of the year? Or do we just dismiss this possibility because we are British and we will naturally be in far better shape than Johnny Foreigner? Which is how we approached the handling of the pandemic and that turned out really well didn’t it?
I think the point of the mid year deadline for a deal is to give a 6 month lead in to no deal if that happens. Once we go past June both sides give up the talks and start to prepare for the WTO tariffs and customs checks. At some point you have to just accept that talks are a waste of time.
Brexiteers will no doubt rejoice but that is where it will start to fall apart. No deal is going to be very expensive and difficult for us as, the costs will all come out of the woodwork and we have never been told about the costs. Every little detail will be damaging to the government as they straight up lied about the implications of this for years. And that is all before it actually hits business right when we are looking to start an economic recovery. There is no way that Johnson can pull this off. I thought that before the events of the last week.
It is justified to comment on the daily performance of the PM and his government as they address the two greatest challenges that have faced the U.K. since ww2. Brexit and Covid. To describe it as political point scoring is simply using the same ‘distraction’ technique that Johnson and his sycophants have recently been attempting.To be blunt @BobKowalski - I go this far:
"You also think that a country that botched the introduction of lockdown, has botched the rules governing lockdown - and will no doubt botch the lifting of lockdown by going for it too early without the operational systems in place - has recorded the highest worldwide Covid 19 death rate per capita...…."
And did not read the rest.
I intend to take the same approach with every post that I see that uses the tragedy that has befallen the nation and the ROW for the purpose of making cheap points on a thread that has got nothing to with the pandemic.
As I mentioned earlier - I find it wholly inappropriate and wholly disrespectful and I will not take part in such exchanges
OK - I will accept that, but can I point out that it seems to be a growing trend from posters on one side of the debate to start using the tragedy of CV as something demean Leavers - it follows on from other similar methods over the years - but this, I suggest, goes too far.I was just replying to a post about the lack of responses regarding an extension. Most people’s minds are elsewhere now, hence why you only have a small handful of users still posting regularly on this thread. Maybe “zealots” was a bit antagonistic though, so I’ll take that back.
Yeah - 60 odd k excess deaths may beg to differ
Yes, 2020 has been absolutely brilliant so far.
Didn’t you know that Brexit is happening totally in isolation from anything else in the world and any impact other major world events may have on Brexit can and should be totally ignored because a certain Brexit zealot wants to live in his Brexit wonderland without any distractions.It is justified to comment on the daily performance of the PM and his government as they address the two greatest challenges that have faced the U.K. since ww2. Brexit and Covid. To describe it as political point scoring is simply using the same ‘distraction’ technique that Johnson and his sycophants have recently been attempting.
I mentioned the other day that there 'remain' a group of diehards that still hope to stymie Brexit - ideally secure a re-join or else convert the outcome to BRINOYou've got to laugh at the desperation, and the utter futility of stunts like this.
After 4 years, this sad no mark, unsurprisingly wants a two year extension.
Not a few weeks or months, two years.
So after he and his ilk stymied Brexit for 4 years, the upshot being yet another election,
that this time, ended with the only party that offered to scrap the referendum result losing
its leader, and the official opposition destroyed, he wants another go.
Bless.
Completely. Whilst they're separate issues, anyone looking at how the government are handling this and thinking they have the competency to negotiate a decent brexit deal needs sectioning.
No deal is a cert for me now, and will be heralded as a success in spite of the fact it will be an indictment of this shower of shite's inability to get anything else.
We already know.does Boris Johnson have the competence to deliver it - we will find out in 6 months?