Another new Brexit thread

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mcfc1632 said:
OK - I will accept that, but can I point out that it seems to be a growing trend from posters on one side of the debate to start using the tragedy of CV as something demean Leavers - it follows on from other similar methods over the years - but this, I suggest, goes too far.

Also - I think that you could understand me 'pausing' when reading your post- as it was posted only 10mins after these 2 posts:



With your post immediately following @bluethrunthru practicing this 'new technique' in a reply to a post of mine that was purely about Brexit.

Anyway - I will just choose to follow my own standards on this matter and absolutely ignore posts that appear to exploit the pandemic
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I'm not sure what "technique" you are referring to. It just seemed like a pretty crass thing to say in the circumstances to me.
 
BobKowalski said:
How do you know there is no point? If we agree a deal in November and then have a further six month or one year extension period in which to prepare for new regulations and customs procedures especially with respect to GB/NI then is that not sensible?
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That is the same as I have recently posted several times

There is no deal to be done unless it reflects the UK position on LPF, fisheries etc.

I have posted a couple of times:

As I mentioned the UK position - if it is indeed resolute about its red lines should be something like asking the EU: "....can you, between now and the end of June, provide sufficient certainty and assurance that if we continue with negotiations beyond that point you will concede to the UK positions on LPF and other key areas identified?

If not, we will end the negotiations at the end of June and use the remaining months to prepare for no-deal. If so- we will continue the dialogue beyond June to put meat on the bones of sector agreements."

If the UK remain resolute then this is the path we should follow

What I would not be surprised to see is that - as you suggest - the EU do not make this agreement in June, but may well do in November if they see that the UK is actually going to follow through with leaving without a TA.

Should that happen - on that day and several times - you can expect me to post some wise words about negotiating...…..
 
bluethrunthru said:
You do know its not normal to be on here 24/7 and writing this volume of bollox at 4am?
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Frankly - what I consider to be not only 'not normal' and indeed amoral and down-right disgusting is to be on this thread - a thread about Brexit - at any time exploiting the pandemic and the deaths of so many people for the purpose of scoring cheap political points.

I have always been a night owl and I will continue to choose how to use my own time

Meanwhile…...

I suggest you go and find a mirror and have a good look at yourself
 
smudgedj said:
Obviously he hasn’t read the WA. Only the EU/UK 'Joint Committee' can jointly invoke Article 132 and extend the transition period for one or two years, EU law still prevails during the current transition period, so Parliament is irrelevant in this instance.

I like the way your post was edited and taken out of context.
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That has been a Remainer technique for years now - for some of them it is standard MO to deliberately twist the words of others. You get to learn which ones and don't bother replying to them anymore
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It is justified to comment on the daily performance of the PM and his government as they address the two greatest challenges that have faced the U.K. since ww2. Brexit and Covid. To describe it as political point scoring is simply using the same ‘distraction’ technique that Johnson and his sycophants have recently been attempting.
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Whilst I can accept that principle, I respectfully disagree with you on this occasion.

Some Remainers have gone beyond the pale recently and I do not wish to be involved in posts that are exploiting a tragedy. Bob could have made a reference to proven incompetence without going into a rant.

A reference to incompetence would be in line with your comment - IMO the rant was a further example of exploitation following on from others.

You can disagree but that is my opinion
 
mcfc1632 said:
OK - I will accept that, but can I point out that it seems to be a growing trend from posters on one side of the debate to start using the tragedy of CV as something demean Leavers - it follows on from other similar methods over the years - but this, I suggest, goes too far.

Also - I think that you could understand me 'pausing' when reading your post- as it was posted only 10mins after these 2 posts:



With your post immediately following @bluethrunthru practicing this 'new technique' in a reply to a post of mine that was purely about Brexit.

Anyway - I will just choose to follow my own standards on this matter and absolutely ignore posts that appear to exploit the pandemic
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stop being so fucking paranoid man - I think you have a rather inflated view of your own presence too.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Frankly - what I consider to be not only 'not normal' and indeed amoral and down-right disgusting is to be on this thread - a thread about Brexit - at any time exploiting the pandemic and the deaths of so many people for the purpose of scoring cheap political points.

I have always been a night owl and I will continue to choose how to use my own time

Meanwhile…...

I suggest you go and find a mirror and have a good look at yourself
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a night owl? At half eleven in the morning........................
 
Ric said:
I'm not sure what "technique" you are referring to. It just seemed like a pretty crass thing to say in the circumstances to me.
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I choose to think that you are referring to the post from @bluethrunthru blatantly using the tragedy as a vehicle to score points on this thread - as that would be a demonstration that you are being balanced and as you stated referring to both sides
 
mcfc1632 said:
I choose to think that you are referring to the post from @bluethrunthru blatantly using the tragedy as a vehicle to score points on this thread - as that would be a demonstration that you are being balanced and as you stated referring to both sides
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I was explaining my earlier response to you in the thread.
 
meltonblue said:
Indeed. Personally, I’m in the mindset now of we’ve got the team that won the referendum running the country now, they can own it and the implementation and it’s not worth debating until we get to the point of knowing what their vision actually looks like and means.

Whatever happens though, it won’t mean an end to this debate. This will now run endlessly and there will always be additional caveats put in until we’re all on our death beds, thinking “they’ll realise I was right, even if I’m gone” and still not think about all that time wasted not thinking about domestic issues that were more important all along...
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Hopefully one day they’ll all realise none of them were right and none of them were wrong.

Both sides were as right and wrong as each other.

So many bad points to being in the EU but there’s as many bad points about leaving.

We just need to sort out the best package we can by December (or whenever the extension may be). That’s all that matters. All this too-and-fro arguing about one side being right or wrong is the biggest load of shit you could ever imagine. Because neither can put up a list of things that couldn’t have an identically long list to counter argue their stance.
 
Gaudion M said:
Yes - like driving in to a brick wall. The brexiteers will celebrate the point where we go past the safe breaking distance.

It is not just the tariffs and customs that will need to be in place - we will have 6 months to replace things like the; European Aviation Safety Agency, Chemicals Agency, Medicines Agency and The European Banking Authority (something like 40 agencies in total are funded through the EU budget that we benefit from). Some of these agencies have already closed their UK offices but we still rely on them - they are built into our laws. We do not have a domestic alternative and I don't see that anything has been done to replace them. How much will it cost, will it be ready on time, does Boris Johnson have the competence to deliver it - we will find out in 6 months?
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We best get on with it then.

That seems a lot of stuff to deal with. I thought we were only leaving a trading bloc. That's what we were told in 1975.

Just because something is hard doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. I'll take a difficult few years in order to be a fee and independent nation again.

But then again, I have faith in my fellow Britons to battle through.

If we avoided the difficult decisions then by 1941 the predecessors of the EU's chief architects would have been goose stepping down deansgate.

This is the greatest nation in the history of the world, for all her faults, we'll be fine. Have faith old chum.
 
mcfc1632 said:
What I would not be surprised to see is that - as you suggest - the EU do not make this agreement in June, but may well do in November if they see that the UK is actually going to follow through with leaving without a TA.

Should that happen - on that day and several times - you can expect me to post some wise words about negotiating...…..
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I think the EU are a lot more grounded in these things - they are not driven by ideology they just want a decent outcome whilst maintaining the integrity of membership. For that reason I think they will genuinely shift to implement No Deal from July onwards. Individual member states will have to commit to implement no deal and they will shift focus on being operationally ready and to ensure there is minimal disruption on their side once it kicks in. Individually they have a much simpler task, some changes to ports and a system to collect tariffs (that already exists) will need to be applied to UK trade. The EU commission won't be directly involved - Barnier will be on holiday.

I don't think the UK government has the faintest hope of being able to implement it, the task is much much bigger with far more adverse consequence. I don't see why the EU would change its mind from June to November when all the pressure will be on the UK.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
To be blunt @BobKowalski - I got this far:

"You also think that a country that botched the introduction of lockdown, has botched the rules governing lockdown - and will no doubt botch the lifting of lockdown by going for it too early without the operational systems in place - has recorded the highest worldwide Covid 19 death rate per capita...…."

And did not read the rest.

I intend to take the same approach with every post that I see that uses the tragedy that has befallen the nation and the ROW for the purpose of making cheap points on a thread that has got nothing to with the pandemic.

As I mentioned earlier - I find it wholly inappropriate and wholly disrespectful and I will not take part in such exchanges
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I would give today’s FT on the UK response to the pandemic a miss then. It would be a shame to have reality intrude on the fantasy UK that exists in your head. I would also skip the concerning news on track and trace which has been rushed out today and the Govt asking us to stay home under track and trace if necessary but still giving Cummings a pass for transporting his family around the country whilst sick.

And yet ‘nothing has changed’ according to Frost. He should get out more. Cummings can give him a lift.
 
BobKowalski said:
I would give today’s FT on the UK response to the pandemic a miss then. It would be a shame to have reality intrude on the fantasy UK that exists in your head. I would also skip the concerning news on track and trace which has been rushed out today and the Govt asking us to stay home under track and trace if necessary but still giving Cummings a pass for transporting his family around the country whilst sick.

And yet ‘nothing has changed’ according to Frost. He should get out more. Cummings can give him a lift.
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What have Cummings travel plans got to do with brexit? Have they somehow become merged into one issue in some people's minds?
 
Kazzydeyna said:
We best get on with it then.

That seems a lot of stuff to deal with. I thought we were only leaving a trading bloc. That's what we were told in 1975.

Just because something is hard doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. I'll take a difficult few years in order to be a fee and independent nation again.

But then again, I have faith in my fellow Britons to battle through.

If we avoided the difficult decisions then by 1941 the predecessors of the EU's chief architects would have been goose stepping down deansgate.

This is the greatest nation in the history of the world, for all her faults, we'll be fine. Have faith old chum.
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Second World War ended 75 years ago. Grow up and get a fucking life.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
What have Cummings travel plans got to do with brexit? Have they somehow become merged into one issue in some people's minds?
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We have had this conversation before. It’s the same moronic and incompetent mindset that underpins the thinking and response to both. Events don’t happen in a vacuum or remain sealed from one another. One begets another. We are currently experiencing a lot of begetting. And not the enjoyable kind either.
 
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