COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Mikeegrini said:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the total tests a combination of antibody tests having gotten over the virus and tests to see if the patient is still symptomatic with the virus?
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Oh no, that would be a big mistake to mix PCR and antibody test figures, as they have a different meaning. Mixed stats would be useless.

Furthermore it needs a certain time period before CV specific antibodies are built in your body.
Many big antibody surveys will come out, but it takes some time, months.

My thought only was about PCR test numbers to assess true infection rate.
Again, why should we massively under-test positive cases?

The overwhelming rate of infected adults do show symptoms, at least 95%, incl mild symptoms.
That's why we NOW should immediately test as soon as symptoms appear, as we know we are most contagious just before showing first symptoms. Capacity is available.
 
Gabriel said:
South Koreans seem to be drawing connections, albeit inconclusive, between the new ‘spike’ and the earlier one involving a nightclub.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ight-trouble-surge-cases-200528041458518.html

Do sense that large buildings with poor ventilation are not going to be allowed to reopen soon, which must be worrying for the pub industry in the UK.
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Good that they’re working out where it’s coming from.

South Korea were a country to follow for us back in February, we didn’t.

But we should follow what they do now closely.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Under these new rules can people from other households be in a car together?

Say my olds need picking up cos they don't drive and we want to go for a walk in the park for example.....
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You can do what ever you want now. Put a TV in your garden, 6 mates round, few beers and watch the football.
 
Gabriel said:
South Koreans seem to be drawing connections, albeit inconclusive, between the new ‘spike’ and the earlier one involving a nightclub.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ight-trouble-surge-cases-200528041458518.html

Do sense that large buildings with poor ventilation are not going to be allowed to reopen soon, which must be worrying for the pub industry in the UK.
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They're opening the Trafford centre on June 15th! What on earth are they thinking. My mum works there too ffs.
 
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jonmcity said:
Or getting testing started after a miserable effort from the start. Now we start the contact tracing without a working App! we are always ahead of the game with this pandemic containment.
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The ramping up of testing could only have been done sooner, given the UK civil/health service arrogance in ignoring far east lessons from SARS (2003) and MERS (2015), is if PHE had used university labs to do testing, like Poetugal.
PHE kept everything in house and therefore done by the state and refused help that was offered from UK universities. For the life of me I don't understand why a Tory government would do this.

Portugal's trsting experience:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...ovid-19-test-rate-double-almost-every-nation/
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
I got pillared on here when i said we'll all be pretty much back to normal by July/August - not ruling out a 'second wave' of some sort but it's looking likely the return to norm is not that far off
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pretty much back to normal hey,,cant fly,long lines outside shops,football with no crowds all with a killer virus thats not gone away
 
St.Pauli support said:
Oh no, that would be a big mistake to mix PCR and antibody test figures, as they have a different meaning. Mixed stats would be useless.

Furthermore it needs a certain time period before CV specific antibodies are built in your body.
Many big antibody surveys will come out, but it takes some time, months.

My thought only was about PCR test numbers to assess true infection rate.
Again, why should we massively under-test positive cases?

The overwhelming rate of infected adults do show symptoms, at least 95%, incl mild symptoms.
That's why we NOW should immediately test as soon as symptoms appear, as we know we are most contagious just before showing first symptoms. Capacity is available.
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I made this point some weeks ago though tbh I didn't frame my question too well, bit pissed at the time :)

I simply couldn't understand why if we were only testing people with symptoms in hospitals ( so prescribed by a doctor? ) the positive results against total completed were, to my untrained eye way to small.

Agree entirely with your final paragraph.
 
twosips said:
They're opening the Trafford centre on June 15th. What on earth are they thinking. My mum works there too ffs.
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Modern buildings with better through ventilation should be in a better position, particularly if they restrict the number of people entering the building itself and then have shops restrict how many people enter at a time. Doing that encourages less browsing but more direct purchases and quicker turnaround of customers. My concern, however, would be that centres and shops are lax in implementing such safeguarding systems, especially when there will be a desire to recoup lost revenue, so they ought to be given clear guidance before reopening.

Pubs, by contrast, are traditionally housed in older buildings, which generally have poorer ventilation and sometimes appalling hygiene standards. British drinking culture also encourages people to congregate in the same place for prolonged periods, which is why they really should be viewed as high risk and one of the last industries reopened. Given the state of public health that might be no bad thing. :-)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I got pillared on here when i said we'll all be pretty much back to normal by July/August - not ruling out a 'second wave' of some sort but it's looking likely the return to norm is not that far off
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Social distancing will be in place until well into next year. That doesn’t constitute being back to normal in my opinion. A “return to norm” where we still won’t be able to hug family members we don’t live with? Doesn’t compute.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Yeah, the car is outside but the people aren’t. They are inside a car, an enclosed space, no different to being inside a room. Also, they would not be 2m apart.
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